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Chad

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re-gearing for dummies
« on: February 26, 2007, 04:34:37 PM »
Well I'm thinking of upgrading to bigger tires in the near future either 32's or 33's but first I want to regear from 4.10 to 4.56-that ought to be sufficient perhaps 4.88 however.  I have a variety of questions regarding this stuff.

Do I have to regear the front and rear axles or just the rear?

How difficult is the labor?  Are special tools necessary?

Will i experience faster speeds and better gas mileage?

How about these gears are they any good http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Yukon-Gear-Dana-35-Jeep-3-54-3-73-4-11-4-56-4-88-M35_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33731QQihZ012QQitemZ220071687145QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
would I need any other parts if I purchased these gears?

Well okay thats a start for now I guess
This re-gearing idea has got me all excited though

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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 04:48:22 PM »
Well I'm thinking of upgrading to bigger tires in the near future either 32's or 33's but first I want to regear from 4.10 to 4.56-that ought to be sufficient perhaps 4.88 however.  I have a variety of questions regarding this stuff.

4.56 ought to be good for 32/33

Do I have to regear the front and rear axles or just the rear?
Both

How difficult is the labor?  Are special tools necessary?

There are plenty of good arcticles, just takes patience.  You need a bearing puller, press, dial indicator and some sockets for the ring gear bolts and pinion nut.

Will i experience faster speeds and better gas mileage?
Nope. 

How about these gears are they any good http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Yukon-Gear-Dana-35-Jeep-3-54-3-73-4-11-4-56-4-88-M35_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33731QQihZ012QQitemZ220071687145QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
would I need any other parts if I purchased these gears?
  Those are fine, you would also need a master install kit which has new bearings, shims and seals

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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 05:18:28 PM »
Well, here's my take.  If you gotta ask, you're probably not ready to install them on your own.  It's not that hard but can be very frustrating.  Spend money on good gears preferable with the shim thickness etched into the gears.  This leaves out all the guess work and makes it much easier.

For 33's I would go with 4.88's.  4.56's are OK but you will be better off with the lower gears.

One tool that wasn't mentioned as a lbs-inch dial type torque wrench.  This will be needed to set the bearing preload on a crush sleeve axle.  You want some cheater/set-up bearings and a hydraulic press is always nice to have.  The D30 requires you to install the shims before pressing on the bearings while the D35 is the opposite.  Air tools or a electric impact wrench is good also.  (There just isn't that much room to put a breaker bar and an extension when your Jeep is on jack stands.  You will also need calipers (digitals are better) or micrometer.

Here's a different take on top speed and mileage.  If you're lugging the engine and having to go WOT to get the RPM high then you're using more gas and reducing your overall mileage. This really hurts top-end speeds since you have to rev higher in a lower gear to get the higher speeds.  Having the engine work in it's designed powerband is crucial. So, in that sense, you may see better gas mileage and higher top speeds.  Really though, you're just regaining what you lost/forgot about.

Make sure when you buy gears you get the gears and a Master Install kit.  Also make sure the Master install kit comes with new carrier bearings.  Also, if you have crush sleeves it's always a good idea to make sure you have an extra one.
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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 05:37:24 PM »
Rather than using crush sleeves, it's a whole lot easier to buy crush sleeve eliminators.  Basically a solid spacer with a couple thin shims.  Eliminates the whole Moneky works of crush sleeves - which only exist to make it easier for a machine to set up the pinion ;)
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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 07:17:52 PM »
Rather than using crush sleeves, it's a whole lot easier to buy crush sleeve eliminators.  Basically a solid spacer with a couple thin shims.  Eliminates the whole Moneky works of crush sleeves - which only exist to make it easier for a machine to set up the pinion ;)

I don't think they're available for the D35c.  I know they're popular with the Toy 8".  I hate crush sleeves, too.
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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 09:24:49 PM »
Rather than using crush sleeves, it's a whole lot easier to buy crush sleeve eliminators.  Basically a solid spacer with a couple thin shims.  Eliminates the whole Moneky works of crush sleeves - which only exist to make it easier for a machine to set up the pinion ;)

I don't think they're available for the D35c.  I know they're popular with the Toy 8".  I hate crush sleeves, too.

Not sure on the D35, I got them for my 8.8 and D30. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 09:31:35 PM »
thanks fellas thats good stuff, sounds like I ought to read up on it some more but I will def be doing it before I get the bigger tires.  the more information the better and thanks for your thoughts.

Jeffy you mentioned making sure I get good gears, what gears would you reccomend for a 99 TJ?

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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 09:39:30 PM »
thanks fellas thats good stuff, sounds like I ought to read up on it some more but I will def be doing it before I get the bigger tires.  the more information the better and thanks for your thoughts.

Jeffy you mentioned making sure I get good gears, what gears would you reccomend for a 99 TJ?

Spicers are always good BUT they don't make a 4.88:1 gear set.  The first to make those was Superior.  When someone is the first to make anything, everyone else just reverse engineers them.  Although, I heard US Alloy was founded by someone who worked for Superior.  I'm not certain where Yukon came from.  In any case, it's always best to shop around and know exactly what you need.  I know Yukon uses Timken Bearings which are good quality. (I used a Yukon Master Install  kit for my D44.) Most of the good companies use Timken.
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Re: re-gearing for dummies
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 01:41:41 PM »
Just re-gear the rear and never put it in 4 wheel drive.... :whistle:
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 04:42:32 PM »
Good read here.

For you guys that regeared.. how much did it cost for front and back axles?  Parts and, if applicable, labor costs (if you didn't do it yourself)

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 05:58:52 PM »
Good read here.

For you guys that regeared.. how much did it cost for front and back axles?  Parts and, if applicable, labor costs (if you didn't do it yourself)

Labor?  I think I paid $20 to have the bearings pulled and pressed.  Then there was lunch and a lot of sitting around.  Otherwise, I installed them myself.  I paid a friend to do my D44 since he could have it done quickly and right.  I've seen prices as low as $75 and axle to as high as $1700 for everything including parts.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2007, 01:25:04 PM »
For the installation cost, expect 6-7 hours labour per axle and a few hour more if you are having an ARB or something similar installed.

Gear installs require a lot of precision measurements and they do take time.  If they are not setup probably, you can gernade you whole axle and can cause a lot of damage.

Also you do not have to do both axles at the same time, as long as you DO NOT engage the t-case.  I know some people that have done this to spread the cost out.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2007, 06:12:32 PM »
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Just re-gear the rear and never put it in 4 wheel drive.... whistle

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2007, 07:04:53 AM »
Hmmm....you do realize I'm a moderator and can alter your posts, right?? :fish:

Hah...I actually got on this morning and noticed the smite...was wondering where it came from.  Thanks for at least admitting it was you.

I'm smiting you just for smiting me....yeah..smite war.. :guns:
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2007, 02:25:21 PM »
Yes about time for a good old fashioned smite war!  :guns: