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Quyjeeper

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BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« on: November 19, 2007, 12:32:44 AM »
is it worth it? Black diamon suspension has a 3.5 lift kit and shocks on 4wd for 585.00 is it honestly worth it? shackle lifts and a 2inch body lift currently is getting kinda choppy. the body lift can stay. the shackle lift must go in place of a good suspension lift. i was looking to paying good money for te 6inch skyjacker monolinear kit. but all im asking is to clear 33's.im currently running 31's and have a rack and pinion set for both front and rear yet to be installed... need help from the experts...

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 06:43:37 AM »
im currently running 31's and have a rack and pinion set for both front and rear yet to be installed...

u have rack and pinion steering???

585 is a good price, i paid like 700 for mine i believe ...

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 07:29:13 AM »
Black Diamond Suspension is not BDS.  Black Diamond is Superlift.     So are you looking at BDS or Black Diamond?
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 05:26:25 AM »
Kit looks fairly complete.  The only thing that I don't like about it is that their springs are only military wrapped on one end, the other end has a single wrap with the bottom spring just cupping the catured spring.   You're also going to want to add some shackles to their kit if you want to be able to flex it.
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 12:25:26 PM »
Kit looks fairly complete.  The only thing that I don't like about it is that their springs are only military wrapped on one end, the other end has a single wrap with the bottom spring just cupping the catured spring.   You're also going to want to add some shackles to their kit if you want to be able to flex it.

very true all the kit is missing is dropped pitman arm, isn't nessacry, and yes you will need some aftermarket shackles to be able to fully stuff your tires.

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 12:57:46 PM »
Just make sure it comes with shocks.  The description is not 100% clear on this and it is listed in their paper catalog at $624 (where it is 100% clear that it comes with shocks).

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 01:01:09 PM »
very true all the kit is missing is dropped pitman arm, isn't nessacry, and yes you will need some aftermarket shackles to be able to fully stuff your tires.

What makes the difference, a one inch longer shackle or greasable shackles?
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 01:37:32 PM »
very true all the kit is missing is dropped pitman arm, isn't nessacry, and yes you will need some aftermarket shackles to be able to fully stuff your tires.

What makes the difference, a one inch longer shackle or greasable shackles?

I'd go longer...  Greasables are usually longer though.  3/8-5/8"
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 01:43:14 PM »
I'd go longer...  Greasables are usually longer though.  3/8-5/8"

I put Currie greasable shackles in mine, and the ride is much softer now than it was with the stock shackles.  As far as I can tell, these do no offer any "lift" (I dont particularly like lifting shackles), but the ride is much different.  By the way, the rears are boomerang shackles...

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 02:27:03 PM »
I put Currie greasable shackles in mine, and the ride is much softer now than it was with the stock shackles.  As far as I can tell, these do no offer any "lift" (I dont particularly like lifting shackles), but the ride is much different.  By the way, the rears are boomerang shackles...

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Do you notice you have better flex now?
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 03:06:43 PM »
I put Currie greasable shackles in mine, and the ride is much softer now than it was with the stock shackles.  As far as I can tell, these do no offer any "lift" (I dont particularly like lifting shackles), but the ride is much different.  By the way, the rears are boomerang shackles...

Felipe

They don't advertise them as such but most if not all aftermarket shackles are lift of some sort.  If you measure eye-to-eye and they aren't 4" then they're lift.  Lift shackles don't not mean they have to be 1-1.5" lift.  A 5" long shackle will give you .5" lift.  Not really enough to make any significant difference.  I think if they're under 5/8" they tend not to list them as 'lift'.  Currie used to list the lift hight of their shackles though with all the anti-lift shackle bandwagon, they removed that.  Notice they don't say that their shackles are stock height either.

As for adding shackles with aftermarket lifts, you'll want that .5" especially if you have military/double wrap on both ends of the leaf.  Also, the ride will improve with longer shackles since any lift will add length to the overall eye-to-eye distance of the leaf.  Most of the time the shackle is jutting out at more then a 45* angle which makes for a stiffer ride.  Then throw in poly bushings and that stiffens up the suspension a bit more.
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 03:19:14 PM »
They don't advertise them as such but most if not all aftermarket shackles are lift of some sort.  If you measure eye-to-eye and they aren't 4" then they're lift.  Lift shackles don't not mean they have to be 1-1.5" lift.  A 5" long shackle will give you .5" lift.  Not really enough to make any significant difference.  I think if they're under 5/8" they tend not to list them as 'lift'.  Currie used to list the lift hight of their shackles though with all the anti-lift shackle bandwagon, they removed that.  Notice they don't say that their shackles are stock height either.

As for adding shackles with aftermarket lifts, you'll want that .5" especially if you have military/double wrap on both ends of the leaf.  Also, the ride will improve with longer shackles since any lift will add length to the overall eye-to-eye distance of the leaf.  Most of the time the shackle is jutting out at more then a 45* angle which makes for a stiffer ride.  Then throw in poly bushings and that stiffens up the suspension a bit more.

Hmmm... Interesting...  I'll measure them tonight to be sure exactly what I have.  I will say, though, that the ride is noticeably smoother, so regardless if they lift the Jeep or not, they are a big improvement (and not only on the ride itself; they also look much stronger than the stock ones!).

My shackles are currently pointing straight down, so I guess the length is good (whatever it may be).



Anyway, as you can see, these springs are not full military wrap at the shackle, but they were still a little stiff for my taste, but they do have poly bushings...

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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 03:22:44 PM »
Judging by your picture I'd say those are 1/2 to 3/4" lift shackles.  Some manufacturers do that 1/2 wrap at the shackle end so that they can get away with using stock shackles.  A full military wrap spring won't fit on a stock shackle and still be able to move.
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 04:09:50 PM »
Judging by your picture I'd say those are 1/2 to 3/4" lift shackles.  Some manufacturers do that 1/2 wrap at the shackle end so that they can get away with using stock shackles.  A full military wrap spring won't fit on a stock shackle and still be able to move.

Unless you don't use the locking bolt in the center.  Most guy's I know don't run the center bolt since that stiffens them up.
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Re: BDS 3.5 for 585.00
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 04:28:04 PM »
Judging by your picture I'd say those are 1/2 to 3/4" lift shackles.  Some manufacturers do that 1/2 wrap at the shackle end so that they can get away with using stock shackles.  A full military wrap spring won't fit on a stock shackle and still be able to move.

Unless you don't use the locking bolt in the center.  Most guy's I know don't run the center bolt since that stiffens them up.

I think the main problem with stock length shackles is in the rear of YJ's because the full military wrap will hit the frame when trying to flex.
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