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kamikaze124

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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 08:31:16 PM »
I drive mine around town, I wish I would have went lower on the gears for around town, but on the trail, it is very low, and works really well. I run the majority of the trails with very little to no troubles at all.
I am running 39" Iroks, I have a Dana 44 front with 513 gears and warn shafts, and CTM's. I am running a lockright locker.
The rear is a Dana 60 with 513 gears and molly shafts and a full spool.
I have installed an automatic trannie to the 4 cylinder.
It has an Atlas II 4.3
The wheelbase is at 105".
Shackle reversal.
Hydrolic assist steering.

This is just how mine is setup, and I love it, but in the following months, she will be going through some huge changes again.
It really depends on how much money and just how extreme you want to go, and what your opinion of hardcore is.
Just reading this thread, there is already some good advice on here.
Here is a shot of mine.





Maybe this will give you some ideas.  Then again... Maybe not. ???

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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 12:46:48 AM »
That is a jeep beast on par with moz's! His= hardcorest TJ, yours=hardcorest YJ, with them four cylinder powerplants!

That was just about the worst grammar I've used in my life, but exciting things do that to me.

I wonder what the four cylinder stroker build looks like (forgot who did it in the first place), I think there might be two now...

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 08:34:09 AM »
Thanks for all the ideas guys.  They have leaned me towards upgrading to 36" or 37" tires and a longarm system.  I would like to add a winch and aftermarket bumpers.  I guess the only thing I am really hung up on is what axles and their ratios.  I know I will have to do away with the D35 but I was considering doing and 8.8 conversion in its place.  But since the D30 will only gear to 4.88 will this be enough to pull all of this weight.  And how low can an 8.8 be geared.

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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2008, 08:59:26 AM »
Thanks for all the ideas guys.  They have leaned me towards upgrading to 36" or 37" tires and a longarm system.  I would like to add a winch and aftermarket bumpers.  I guess the only thing I am really hung up on is what axles and their ratios.  I know I will have to do away with the D35 but I was considering doing and 8.8 conversion in its place.  But since the D30 will only gear to 4.88 will this be enough to pull all of this weight.  And how low can an 8.8 be geared.

In my opinion, for that size tires, you will need AT LEAST 5.13...  Even better if you can go lower!
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kamikaze124

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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2008, 11:15:24 AM »
In my opinion, for that size tires, you will need AT LEAST 5.13...  Even better if you can go lower!
I ran 35" SSR's on my jeep with 456 gears, and it was not enough. I think it would have been perfect at 513 gears with 35's.
But like you said, you will need something otherthan the Dana 30

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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 11:49:19 AM »
Thanks for all the ideas guys.  They have leaned me towards upgrading to 36" or 37" tires and a longarm system.  I would like to add a winch and aftermarket bumpers.  I guess the only thing I am really hung up on is what axles and their ratios.  I know I will have to do away with the D35 but I was considering doing and 8.8 conversion in its place.  But since the D30 will only gear to 4.88 will this be enough to pull all of this weight.  And how low can an 8.8 be geared.

For those tires, the rear D60 and front D60 or D44 are the way to go.  The D30 will be marginal and won't get you the gearing you will need.
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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2008, 12:33:03 PM »
Thanks for all the ideas guys.  They have leaned me towards upgrading to 36" or 37" tires and a longarm system.  I would like to add a winch and aftermarket bumpers.  I guess the only thing I am really hung up on is what axles and their ratios.  I know I will have to do away with the D35 but I was considering doing and 8.8 conversion in its place.  But since the D30 will only gear to 4.88 will this be enough to pull all of this weight.  And how low can an 8.8 be geared.

I guess we're using 1990's definition of 'hardcore'. :roflol:  What was once considered hardcore isn't anymore.  Your standard 1Ton axle swap isn't really that extreme, unless you're stretching it.  Funny thing is if you has a 1T Jeep just a few years ago, it would have been hardcore.  If you want to see what I mean, check out http://www.pirate4x4.com and look at what's in the hardcore forums and what's in the Non forums.

In any case, are 37's going to be the limit?  Do the trails you plan on going on require some heavy throttle?  37's are considered the limit of the 8.8" and if you're going to be punishing them, you'll probably want to go bigger.  A Ford 9", Dana 60 or the Corporate 14 Bolt.  Out of those the Corporate 14B will probably be the cheapest.  Actually, it might even be cheaper then the 8.8" since that seems to be the go-to axle choice over the D35c.  The downside to the 14B is that it's HUGE, but you can shave off 2" fairly easily.  The other thing is there is only one carrier with no gear splits so they use thick gears which stop at 5.13:1.  Also, locker choices is a bit limited BUT you can get a Detroit for it.  Then there's the pluses, it's huge all around.  The shafts are huge and you can get them in full-floating configuration which is nice.  Drums are HUGE and heavy but there are disc conversions if you care.

If you're on a budget and want a milder build then go with the 36-37's and swap out the Dana 35 with a Ford 8.8".  This will allow you to have some money left over to lift and correct for an problems that might arise.  You can keep the Dana 30 since strength wise, it's OK if you're not beating on it too badly.  The only problem is gearing although when you're in 4Lo, it won't matter as much.

Want more, they the next step would be to go with some SJ Dana 44 axles.  This would allow you to gear lower.  Still with a heavy foot, and 37's you might want to go bigger.  Although a friend has some D44's with alloy shafts, 5:13 gears and runs 38.5"'s with a 4to1 and only breaks U-joints on occasion.  It's more about crawling out here.  Not as much need for wheel speed.

One more, and you could go with some Dana 44, Ford 9", Dana 60, combo and get 3/4T status.  Although I'd probably just go all out at that point and do a Dana 60/70 combo or Dana 60/14B.
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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2008, 01:46:13 PM »
I classify mine as a "hardcore daily driver".... :twofingers:

...or as I call it on my other forum, "Baddest Daily Driven 4-Banger TJ Ever"
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 02:02:43 PM »
Ok, here goes mine, not done yet but getting there:
97 TJ
Engine: 2.5L (going to be bored out to a 2.7L this summer)
Turbo City Bored 4.0L Throttle Body (TB)
Power Aid 4.0L TB Spacer
K&N Mounted to TB
Performance Distributors Demon Coil, Dist Cap and 8.8mm wires
High Flow Cat/Muffler and 2.5" Exhaust

5 speed with 231 and 4:1 installed

Front Axle D30 with 4.88 gears and lockright 2" wheel spacers
Rear Axle Ford 8.8 with 4.88 gears and mini spool 2" wheel spacers

6" lift currently installed
4" springs with 2" spacers
RS 5000 shocks (rear outboarded with notched frame)
Sky Jacker Lower arms with RE adjustable uppers
Purchased new RK long arm kit waiting to be installed

15x10 Chrome Mod rims (loads of rock rash)
35x12.5x15 Mickey Thompson Baja Claws

Toys by Troy rear swing away tire carrier
Poison Spyder front stinger bumper
Builly Built Rock Sliders
Poison Spyder Full Cage
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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 02:13:30 PM »
I classify mine as a "hardcore daily driver".... :twofingers:

...or as I call it on my other forum, "Baddest Daily Driven 4-Banger TJ Ever"

Any how bad did it hit your wallet?  :stick:
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2008, 02:25:36 PM »
Still cheaper than a new stock Rubicon....and may still be with the new engine...maybe not.. ::)

...but will be much nicer and more capable for "around" the same price (as was the plan from the start).

You would be surprised..or not...how many people say, "Why didn't you just buy a new one for all the money you are pouring into this one?"

The answer...if I bought a new one (or even newer used one) I would probably still be doing most of the mods I've done already...probably would have been happier with a bigger engine...but will be even more happy with a V8!!
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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2008, 02:54:43 PM »
You would be surprised..or not...how many people say, "Why didn't you just buy a new one for all the money you are pouring into this one?"

You forgot the most important answer; it would not look as cool!
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2008, 04:06:31 PM »
Still cheaper than a new stock Rubicon....and may still be with the new engine...maybe not.. ::)

...but will be much nicer and more capable for "around" the same price (as was the plan from the start).

You would be surprised..or not...how many people say, "Why didn't you just buy a new one for all the money you are pouring into this one?"

The answer...if I bought a new one (or even newer used one) I would probably still be doing most of the mods I've done already...probably would have been happier with a bigger engine...but will be even more happy with a V8!!

So what's the final count?  I'm not looking for the beat around the bush answer.   :stick:
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Re: hardcore 4cyl
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2008, 04:52:11 PM »
Jeffy????  :beers:

Is that the Jeffy that started 4 Bangers United way back when and was in Hawaii?




As for the thread, I agree buying a new one would only make you start the mod list over, it would still need a lift, bigger tires, and if you boght it as a rubi might not need the gears or 4:1, but the cage, the bumpers, winch etc... so is it really saving much?  Not much if at all if you consider the financing of all those parts on the rubi.

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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2008, 08:38:19 PM »
So what's the final count?  I'm not looking for the beat around the bush answer.   :stick:

I would guess around $25k total...including the original cost of the Jeep and backing out all of the money I made selling original parts.
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