Topic: Ford Dana 20

[Jeffy]

Picts of the drivetrain with the tranny, klune and transfer case would be nice to see.

[FourbangerYJ]

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/products/np231/np231j_short_sye.html

Saw this and thought I would pass it along. If I was going to do a super short SYE this is the kit I would buy. Maybe do the 2lo kit and slap a Klune in front of it. No adapters needed. Hard to beat the price. By the time you piece together a D20 set up you would be spending a fair amount more.

IIRC my AA Klune-D20 adapter was $350. Klune was not making them at the time. They now have their own kit. From what I hear it's a bit cheaper and shorter.

I'll try and get a drivetrain PIC as soon as I can.

[Jeffy]

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/products/np231/np231j_short_sye.html

Saw this and thought I would pass it along. If I was going to do a super short SYE this is the kit I would buy. Maybe do the 2lo kit and slap a Klune in front of it. No adapters needed. Hard to beat the price. By the time you piece together a D20 set up you would be spending a fair amount more.

IIRC my AA Klune-D20 adapter was $350. Klune was not making them at the time. They now have their own kit. From what I hear it's a bit cheaper and shorter.

I'll try and get a drivetrain PIC as soon as I can.

See, that's what I'm wondering.  (I'd go with the JB kit also.)   I've left my transfer case along since I didn't know which way I wanted to go.  I think I'm certain that I'll go with a Klune and not a Stak becase of cost.  I don't really think I'd need 2wd but I guess it's something to add if I want to throw money at it.  I was thinking about doing it cheaply. When I talked to the guy who build Jason's setup, he said I should be good with a HD output shaft alone.  I could always add that stuff later from a donor NVG231-HD. (Chain & Sproket along with the 6 gear planetary.)  I'd also want to swap to a 23 spline input I think.

[FourbangerYJ]

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/products/np231/np231j_short_sye.html

Saw this and thought I would pass it along. If I was going to do a super short SYE this is the kit I would buy. Maybe do the 2lo kit and slap a Klune in front of it. No adapters needed. Hard to beat the price. By the time you piece together a D20 set up you would be spending a fair amount more.

IIRC my AA Klune-D20 adapter was $350. Klune was not making them at the time. They now have their own kit. From what I hear it's a bit cheaper and shorter.

I'll try and get a drivetrain PIC as soon as I can.

See, that's what I'm wondering.  (I'd go with the JB kit also.)   I've left my transfer case along since I didn't know which way I wanted to go.  I think I'm certain that I'll go with a Klune and not a Stak becase of cost.  I don't really think I'd need 2wd but I guess it's something to add if I want to throw money at it.  I was thinking about doing it cheaply. When I talked to the guy who build Jason's setup, he said I should be good with a HD output shaft alone.  I could always add that stuff later from a donor NVG231-HD. (Chain & Sproket along with the 6 gear planetary.)  I'd also want to swap to a 23 spline input I think.

The JB shorty is a 32 spline plenty beefy. Depending on what locker you have or plan to have the 2lo comes in real handy. If you are going to do a selectable I don't think I would do the 2lo.
I wouldn't do the Stak either not enough choices in gearing.
I would swap to the 23 spline input. IIRC brand new inputs are around $100. Cheaper if you find a used front half case from someone who did the Tera 4.0. My buddy did not do the HD chain and is running the stock 5 gear set. So far so good. Like you said you could upgrade later. It is kind of a bitch to get the 231 off the back of the Klune due to the little windows that the studs and nuts are, but it's doable.
If you are on a tight budget then keeping the 231 will be the cheapest route.

[ratherbejeeping]

Course if you do the Klune you have 2LO without having to put it in the t-case anyway.  Just leave the 231 in 2HI and engage the Klune.

See, you already saved $200 with the Klune!!!!!!

[Jeffy]

That's another consideraton.  I don't plan on anything hardcore.  Most likely the Rubicon and surrounding trails.  I'd probably be geared too low with both boxes in Lo range.  Only problem with one of those super slim kits, is that they use a megnetic pick-up.  This can't be calibrated at the sender.  So that means I'll need to get a signal modifier if I want it to read correct.  Or I could just leave it and recalibrate the speedometer.

[jagular7]

With the low gears, added or installed, at the t-case point of the drivetrain, isn't anyone nervous with the D35 axle shafts? Just the basic 4.0l and stock drivetrain has shredded many D35 shafts.

[Jeffy]

I don't think any of us three have D35's.  :wink:

[jagular7]

Well, ok. Probably not you, but then other readers enjoying this topic.

[Jeffy]

I believe FourbangerYJ has a 8.8 and ratherbejeeping has a 8.25" Toy.  I've got a D44.  We sorta know each others rigs from the 4Banger list so axles weren't mentioned.

It's still good to ask about the D35 since others are probably reading this.

[ratherbejeeping]

Close, Scott's got the D44

[Jeffy]

Someone's got a 8.8" though right?

Check out the other thread on the 231 doubler, too.

[Po' Boy]

I was thinking on doing the D20, Klune set up myself. I figure with the kind of wheeling I do here in KY and surrounding states, the klune will prolly be enough without having to 4:1 the t-case. Plus I think I would be way too low if both were engaged, and don't think I'll have a need for that.
I plan on doing an AX-15 swap down the road a little, and will probably just do all of this at once. I'm surprised I haven't seen any discussion at all on inertia rings in this forum, maybe just haven't found them yet. That is another mod I got planned for the near future.

Matt

[FourbangerYJ]

Close, Scott's got the D44

I put in the Alloy USA Chromoshafts last winter. Wanted a little more beef just in case. The stock D44 shafts were just fine. I am keeping them as spares.

[FourbangerYJ]

I was thinking on doing the D20, Klune set up myself. I figure with the kind of wheeling I do here in KY and surrounding states, the klune will prolly be enough without having to 4:1 the t-case. Plus I think I would be way too low if both were engaged, and don't think I'll have a need for that.
I plan on doing an AX-15 swap down the road a little, and will probably just do all of this at once. I'm surprised I haven't seen any discussion at all on inertia rings in this forum, maybe just haven't found them yet. That is another mod I got planned for the near future.

Matt

There are some Tera 3:15 gears for the D20. Around $800 IIRC. O'brien makes some 4.86 gears for the D20 but they are pricey at near $1600.
I wanted to keep a split between gears. So I kept the 2.46 in the D20 and went with the 4 to 1 in the Klune. I must admit the 2.46 gears don't get use much by themselves. But they make a great doubler for the Klune.  The great thing about this set up is the amount of gear choices you get.  Weather it be the D20 or 231. It would be way to low if both boxes had 4 to1 gearing.
With super low gearing I have not found a need for the inertia ring. I have stalled the motor in lo-lo 2nd. (115 to 1)But I can't stall the motor in lo-lo 1st. (188 to 1) On dry pavement in 2WD lo-lo 1st I can stand on the brakes and lock the front tires and it keeps on ideling along. I am running 35's MT/R's. When the time comes for a new clutch I might put one in.