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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2009, 03:13:54 PM »
Is the shroud needed after the swap?

With it i imagine the temp would be lower?
The FoMoCo fans all have their own shroud.  That's what's holding the fan in place.  You do not need to reuse the stock shroud as it does nothing.
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2009, 09:11:34 PM »
what year/make/model are these "ford" and "lincoln" fans coming from. I keep looking all over the threads about electric fans and everyone always says "i did the ford fan swap"???

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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2009, 11:59:20 PM »
The Taurus fan is from a 3.8L while the Lincoln MKVIII (1993-1998)
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2009, 05:05:26 AM »
It's only on the 3.8L engine and looks very distinct:

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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2009, 08:21:42 AM »
this is the lincoln mk viii - same here, looks very distinct, slightly larger shroud than the ford one and larger fan

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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2009, 12:23:37 PM »
Can someone tell me how they wire the fan?
Do you install a thermostat or just a switch?
What does a relay do?
I have 117 amp alt, Do I really need to upgrade it?
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2009, 12:40:01 PM »
Can someone tell me how they wire the fan?
Do you install a thermostat or just a switch?
What does a relay do?
I have 117 amp alt, Do I really need to upgrade it?
Thanks,
Vance

if you have 117 amp you don't need to upgrade - you can use either a temp switch (sender) combined with a relay to power the fan or you can use a switch (and it is recommended that you use a relay in this case as well but if your switch has enough amp rating to cover the amp draw of the fan you can get away w/o a relay, but again it is recommneded that you use one).
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2009, 01:24:54 PM »
if you have 117 amp you don't need to upgrade - you can use either a temp switch (sender) combined with a relay to power the fan or you can use a switch (and it is recommended that you use a relay in this case as well but if your switch has enough amp rating to cover the amp draw of the fan you can get away w/o a relay, but again it is recommneded that you use one).
Running high amp's though a dash mounted switch is a good way to cause a vehicle fire.  Do it right the first time and use a relay.  Not so much, because of the switch but the wiring.  It can get warn, cut, etc and then you have it sparking up.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2009, 01:44:49 PM »
if you have 117 amp you don't need to upgrade - you can use either a temp switch (sender) combined with a relay to power the fan or you can use a switch (and it is recommended that you use a relay in this case as well but if your switch has enough amp rating to cover the amp draw of the fan you can get away w/o a relay, but again it is recommneded that you use one).
How many amps does the fan draw. Where do I buy and what temp switch should I get?
What amp relay? Where do I mount the temp switch?
Is there a post that shows how to wire it?
Do I just unbolt the fan and leave the pulley?
I guess just hold my hand thru it :biggrin:
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2009, 01:58:15 PM »
What does a relay do?

i missed this question in my first reply

a relay will close a circuit between 2 of its terminals based on a command given to another set of terminals. so to put it in plain english, when your temp switch reaches a certain temperature and closes it's internal circuit will give a ground to it's connector terminal - that ground will be used to close the relay circuit which in turn will power the fan - this is because the temp switch for example could have a rating of 1 amp for its internal contacts and your fan can draw 25 amps - that means if you wire the fan thru the temp switch directly it will destroy the internal contacts - by using the relay you isolate the high current (amperage) thru the relay only, and the temp switch load will only be used to activate the relay solenoid. the temp switch is also known as an electrical thermostat or bimetallic electrical thermostat (not to be confused with the water thermostat that goes before the radiator, that is a mechanical device). There are also adjustable devices that use a temp probe an in that case you can adjust the temperature at which the fan turns on (more specifically at which the command circuit will close) - you can buy one of those and they usually come with a relay wired in, so it could be easier to install but make sure that the relay amp rating covers (is at least) the amp draw of your fan. The temp switches have a set on and off temperature. There is also a company that makes an electronic device which controls the speed of the fan based on the temperature - some guys here have used their product with excellent results (i have not used one personally) - the name of the company is Delta Current Control.

The idea of using a relay is the same for the manual switch (which is used instead of the temp switch).

Since you asked what is a relay I suggest you ask for some hands-on help with this one and don't attempt to do it on your own - you will also need to have matching wiring (that will be rated to support the current drawn by your fan), matching fuse for the power terminals of the relay and if you are not using a fused connection for the solenoid of portion of the wiring (command terminals) you will need a fuse there too.

Like Jeffy said, last thing you want is an electrical melt or fire, so the first time you attempt this you should do it with the help of someone that has experience with automotive electrical wiring.
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2009, 02:30:24 PM »
How many amps does the fan draw. Where do I buy and what temp switch should I get?
What amp relay? Where do I mount the temp switch?
Is there a post that shows how to wire it?
Do I just unbolt the fan and leave the pulley?
I guess just hold my hand thru it :biggrin:

From what I've read the fans pulls 26-30A on the low speed and 33-43A on the high speed.  Initial start up has a peak draw of around 100A from what I've heard.  Low speed, is fine for the 2.5L.

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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2009, 05:25:54 PM »
Any of you thought of a spal controller those are a sweet setup
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2009, 06:42:01 PM »
Any of you thought of a spal controller those are a sweet setup
Don't run it on the HI-speed circuit.  SPAL has even gone as far to say not to use it at all.  Although as long as you stay in low-speed, it should be OK.

Speaking of, have you seen the new Delta controller?  It's designed for teh 2-speed FoMoCo's and is cheaper then the other units.  http://www.dccontrol.com/fancontrol.htm
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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2009, 07:09:21 PM »
DcControl makes some great products.  Turn-around time is pretty long but for me it was worth the wait.  I run the variable controller which pulls very few amps, only enough needed to cool the engine.  There is no high draw at initial start of the fan either.

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Re: Electric Fan Installation
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2009, 09:03:49 AM »
It seems that the new controller basically has two speeds only; I have their FK35 IIRC, and I am VERY happy with their product, as not only does it control the speed (by the way, it is connected to the high-speed side of the fan), but it also (1) allow for soft starts (increases the speed gradually instead of full-on) which reduced amp draw, and (2) allows me to connect the slow speed side of the fan through a relay as a back up in case the controller should ever fail (almost 3 years and no issues so far, but I prefer redundancy on a Jeep if I am to take it on a trail to the middle of nowhere!).

Like Bounty mentioned, turn around time is a bit long, but well worth the wait.
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