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Offline Jeffy

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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 06:09:21 PM »
Well, guess what?  It still leaks!  Although not as bad.  Most of the water is coming in though the vent.  There is a minor amount that is coming in from where the windshield frame, body and door all meet together as well.  I have resorted to sealing off the cowl vent completely although that also means my heaters blower has to work harder since gets it's air from the vent.  ???  I ended up playing an order from Qtech for the vent scoop so hopefully that will keep 80-90% of the water out and allow the drain to actually drain.

Did I mention, I hate getting into Jeep that feels like you've just stepped into a swamp?   :thumbsup:
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 09:03:58 PM »
Well, guess what?  It still leaks!  Although not as bad.  Most of the water is coming in though the vent.  There is a minor amount that is coming in from where the windshield frame, body and door all meet together as well.  I have resorted to sealing off the cowl vent completely although that also means my heaters blower has to work harder since gets it's air from the vent.  ???  I ended up playing an order from Qtech for the vent scoop so hopefully that will keep 80-90% of the water out and allow the drain to actually drain.

Did I mention, I hate getting into Jeep that feels like you've just stepped into a swamp?   :thumbsup:

mine has a nice puddle in front of the driver's seat - so you're saying if i cover the cowl vent that will go away (not leak anymore)?
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 09:09:17 PM »
mine has a nice puddle in front of the driver's seat - so you're saying if i cover the cowl vent that will go away (not leak anymore)?
If the cowl bowl is filling up then closing off the cowl vent should solve it.  I think the cowl scoop will help keep most of the rain off.  If you look at the picts you can see that there is very little stopping water from pouring into the Jeep.  There only needs to be a little more then an inch of standing water before it starts flooding in.  The flap on the driverside doesn't close all the way and I'm sure it was designed this way so that when you're driving the positive air pressure would keep it closed.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 06:59:04 AM »
Hey Jeffy,

I have been having the same issue (wet drivers floor board  :brick:) and couldnt figure out where its leaking if my life depended on it. Is there any way you can explain to me where this drain is located.

When I remove my cowl, I see a slit in the middle that looks like a drain. I assume so since it is the lowest point under the cowl and everything leans downwards towards it. Then when I open the hood, i notice a plastic tube attached right under it that looks like it should be a way for it to drain out of the car.

I did not see anything other than this. Can you please post a pic or something so that I know where this door is located that seems to be leaking for you guys.

Thank you thank you thank you    :bow:     :biggrin:

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 08:31:18 AM »
If the cowl bowl is filling up then closing off the cowl vent should solve it.  I think the cowl scoop will help keep most of the rain off.  If you look at the picts you can see that there is very little stopping water from pouring into the Jeep.  There only needs to be a little more then an inch of standing water before it starts flooding in.  The flap on the driverside doesn't close all the way and I'm sure it was designed this way so that when you're driving the positive air pressure would keep it closed.

i see what you mean - i was thinking to make a piece of alu sheet and fit it over the heater intake but from what you are saying it will still leak once there's enough water in there - although i did look and there is none when raining, seems to be draining out (could be that is actually draining inside :) - since my Jeep is standing still at this time i'm just going to block the cowl vent and see if that solves it - if it does i'm going to buy a scoop like you suggested - this has annoyed me since like forever.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2010, 12:20:24 PM »
I need to get a new windshield gasket for mine, it's leaking like mad in this weather. It SUCKS! The other morning it poured a steady stream down the dash from my driveway to the stoplight a mile up the road from my house. Since then it hasn't leaked nearly as bad, but still leaks...

And my soft windows don't work that well when it comes to sealing with the hard top to stop leaks... And my back window leaks...
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2010, 12:26:13 PM »
I´ll again suggest putting some sort of sealant on the screws that fasten the cowl vent.  Mine kept leaking a bit until I did that and it can be pretty hard to tell if it is the screws of the vent since it can leak into the same general area.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 12:27:21 PM »
Someone please help with some pics   :'(

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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2010, 12:48:05 PM »
Hey Jeffy,

I have been having the same issue (wet drivers floor board  :brick:) and couldnt figure out where its leaking if my life depended on it. Is there any way you can explain to me where this drain is located.

***I have a TJ is that makes a difference   ???
TJ's actually had a TBS on the leaking issue from the cowl.  You'll have to go to the Dealer and see if it was done though.  They can look it up.  IIRC, they cut the length of the drain tube off.  But since there is a TSB, you might as well see if it was done.
i see what you mean - i was thinking to make a piece of alu sheet and fit it over the heater intake but from what you are saying it will still leak once there's enough water in there - although i did look and there is none when raining, seems to be draining out (could be that is actually draining inside :) - since my Jeep is standing still at this time i'm just going to block the cowl vent and see if that solves it - if it does i'm going to buy a scoop like you suggested - this has annoyed me since like forever.
The way I was able to tell were the leak was coming from was by looking at the firewall.  After a good rain there is usually still some drops on the firewall.  I'm sure it's not draining out into the floor but more like constant splashing  Even with the addition of the little wall, I still get water in there.  I'm not sure if it's getting into the passenger side duct but there is a vacuum controlled flap on that side.  The duct height on the passenger-side is about the same as the driver side but it's a lot longer and doesn't spill right onto the floor.  Sealing off the vent will help you localize the leak at least.
I need to get a new windshield gasket for mine, it's leaking like mad in this weather. It SUCKS! The other morning it poured a steady stream down the dash from my driveway to the stoplight a mile up the road from my house. Since then it hasn't leaked nearly as bad, but still leaks...

And my soft windows don't work that well when it comes to sealing with the hard top to stop leaks... And my back window leaks...
My Jeep sucks in wet weather
I did mine a few months ago.  It's a bit of a PITA since the new seal is a lot thicker then the squished old one so you'll have to re-adjust jsut about everything to get it to fit.  This is more of a PITA if you have a hardtop.  Also, I think I get a little seeping where teh wiper motor cable is passed under the seal.  It's not much like the HVAC duct but I do see traces of water on the instrument panel.
I´ll again suggest putting some sort of sealant on the screws that fasten the cowl vent.  Mine kept leaking a bit until I did that and it can be pretty hard to tell if it is the screws of the vent since it can leak into the same general area.
My leaking is distinct and you can see the leaking on the wiring and firewall.  It's not the screws as there would be leaking down the HVAC duct and onto the transmission hump.  I'm getting water dripping above the throttle and there is moisture on the tab under the duct flap since that's the lowest place for water to travel.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 12:50:05 PM »
i see what you mean - i was thinking to make a piece of alu sheet and fit it over the heater intake but from what you are saying it will still leak once there's enough water in there - although i did look and there is none when raining, seems to be draining out (could be that is actually draining inside :) - since my Jeep is standing still at this time i'm just going to block the cowl vent and see if that solves it - if it does i'm going to buy a scoop like you suggested - this has annoyed me since like forever.

can't put a scoop on the vent since the stupid windshield washer nozzles are right in front of it (YJ)   :rant:
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2010, 12:56:26 PM »
No kidding...

And the dealer would cover this even though the Jeep is 13 years old???

If so how do i go about doing this? Do i need some proof of this recall or do i just walk in and ask them to do it?

I've never dealt with the dealer as they are all a bunch of ignorant arrogant a**holes here by me. They dont want to do ANYTHING unless you are paying the big bucks.

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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2010, 01:09:13 PM »
can't put a scoop on the vent since the stupid windshield washer nozzles are right in front of it (YJ)   :rant:
Hmm, the scoop I bought is supposed to be low enough.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2010, 01:19:17 PM »
No kidding...

And the dealer would cover this even though the Jeep is 13 years old???

If so how do i go about doing this? Do i need some proof of this recall or do i just walk in and ask them to do it?

I've never dealt with the dealer as they are all a bunch of ignorant arrogant a**holes here by me. They dont want to do ANYTHING unless you are paying the big bucks.

If you want to do it yourself then take the cowl off and take a look for yourself.  If the cowl cover isn't on tightly it may leak at the corners which can cause water to leak into the vent.  You can see the drain in the picture, it's the small white tube in the channel.
  Otherwise, take to to the dealer and ask them if they can look up your VIN and see if the TSB was done.
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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2010, 02:31:15 PM »
I dont have that white little tube...i thought the drain was that slit in the middle

So what is that slit on the bottom? The one in between where the white little tube is sticking out and the wiper motor?

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Re: Still leaks...
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2010, 03:37:01 PM »
I dont have that white little tube...i thought the drain was that slit in the middle

So what is that slit on the bottom? The one in between where the white little tube is sticking out and the wiper motor?
Ok, now that I've looked at the TJ some more, the black thing is probably the drain.  (TJ cowl is very different then YJ's).

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