Topic: Spools...

[sharpxmen]

if your going to buy a spool why not just weld the spiders??

carrier can give (spider gears also) - not sure if it's the case with the said axle but i think that's the main reason. Also, no point on carrying that much weight around if not using it, a spool would weigh less.

[aw12345]

Either one works seen several spools with the splines torn out so they are not entirely fool proof either

[Torch_Ind]

carrier can give (spider gears also) - not sure if it's the case with the said axle but i think that's the main reason. Also, no point on carrying that much weight around if not using it, a spool would weigh less.

you been driving around with the weight already anyway.  welding is free if you have the welder and also no shimming or bearing required to get the proper back lash back on the gears

less work and cheaper then a spool and if you bust the carrier oh well then get the spool or whatever you can get at the time.

[TahoeYJ]

you been driving around with the weight already anyway.  welding is free if you have the welder and also no shimming or bearing required to get the proper back lash back on the gears

less work and cheaper then a spool and if you bust the carrier oh well then get the spool or whatever you can get at the time.

With the posi carrier in my 9" you've got at least remove the ring gear to get to the spiders. From that point I don't know what else is requires. With the 3rd member all assembled there's one small hole that provides view to inside the carrier. So if I'm going to have to go through that much work, I'd rather just slap the spool in.
I'm still up in the air about it... Again for the price it almost seems worth it. And if I didn't like it, worst I'd have to do is go back to the OE carrier for the time being. I know it's a lot of wasted labor, but meh...

[Torch_Ind]

With the posi carrier in my 9" you've got at least remove the ring gear to get to the spiders. From that point I don't know what else is requires. With the 3rd member all assembled there's one small hole that provides view to inside the carrier. So if I'm going to have to go through that much work, I'd rather just slap the spool in.
I'm still up in the air about it... Again for the price it almost seems worth it. And if I didn't like it, worst I'd have to do is go back to the OE carrier for the time being. I know it's a lot of wasted labor, but meh...

ummm Ok if I had a posi carrier already why would you go to a spool or bother welding them in the first place? posi is great if your mainly on road vs off road

[TahoeYJ]

ummm Ok if I had a posi carrier already why would you go to a spool or bother welding them in the first place? posi is great if your mainly on road vs off road

clutches are worn out and it's the old school Equa-Lock carrier, which they no longer make parts for. I saw an auction for a set of clutch plates way back when but didn't jump on them. Only time I ever feel the posi is turning right in the rain when I want to get a little squirrley  
Other than that, I have ZERO additional traction...

[sharpxmen]

you been driving around with the weight already anyway.  welding is free if you have the welder and also no shimming or bearing required to get the proper back lash back on the gears

less work and cheaper then a spool and if you bust the carrier oh well then get the spool or whatever you can get at the time.

question he asked was what's the advantage in using a spool rather than weld the spider gears, not what's cheaper. i answered his question, not suggested to do one or the other so if you know a different reason for which a spool is better than welding the diff please let us know

[dwtaylorpdx]

Spool is substantially stronger than "Most" welded spiders, the exception being if you
tig them carefully to the carrier and to each other as opposed to a 7018 "Lincoln Locker"

Balance can be an issue with a welded spider set as well.

Another thing to think about is that with a spool if you overcook it significantly into a
corner, a spool induces a lot of under-steer, making it harder to save if you screw up.

Just a thought...

Dave

[sharpxmen]

if your going to buy a spool why not just weld the spiders??

question he asked was what's the advantage in using a spool rather than weld the spider gears, not what's cheaper. i answered his question, not suggested to do one or the other so if you know a different reason for which a spool is better than welding the diff please let us know

nevermind, in got mixed up - I thought he asked why not weld the spider gears - was you (Torch_Ind) that asked that (didn't notice the rhetorical intent in your post, i thought it was a actual question)  - got my bearings crossed so disregard my post above

[Torch_Ind]

question he asked was what's the advantage in using a spool rather than weld the spider gears, not what's cheaper. i answered his question, not suggested to do one or the other so if you know a different reason for which a spool is better than welding the diff please let us know



nevermind, in got mixed up - I thought he asked why not weld the spider gears - was you (Torch_Ind) that asked that (didn't notice the rhetorical intent in your post, i thought it was a actual question)  - got my bearings crossed so disregard my post above

np was about to ditch this thread soon anyways.  

I don't like spools for dd driving. I run the lunchbox locker cause it was less bank to pay and I'm not to thrilled with it for dd driving. off-road is great!! so to weld or spool the rear end would be worse then what I have.

my dad had welded rear en in his old cj-7 with 304amc engine and he would go through a set of rear tires every summer cause it would squeak the tires like you were hot rodding it through lights and corners.

Last post for you all on my opinion and that's all it is. if you plan to daily drive it at all even if you drive it a ways just to get to the trails and can afford to get a selectable locker just get the selectable locker from the start.

if it a money issue cause the spool is cheep well your just doing what you have to do because it's cheep.  I couldn't afford the selectable locker and a lockright lunchbox was available for my diff so I went with that cause I could afford it and needed spiders anyway cause they were ready to blow!!

wish I had enough $$$ for a OX locker that would have been my choice if money was no issue.

[TahoeYJ]

np was about to ditch this thread soon anyways.  

I don't like spools for dd driving. I run the lunchbox locker cause it was less bank to pay and I'm not to thrilled with it for dd driving. off-road is great!! so to weld or spool the rear end would be worse then what I have.

my dad had welded rear en in his old cj-7 with 304amc engine and he would go through a set of rear tires every summer cause it would squeak the tires like you were hot rodding it through lights and corners.

Last post for you all on my opinion and that's all it is. if you plan to daily drive it at all even if you drive it a ways just to get to the trails and can afford to get a selectable locker just get the selectable locker from the start.

if it a money issue cause the spool is cheep well your just doing what you have to do because it's cheep.  I couldn't afford the selectable locker and a lockright lunchbox was available for my diff so I went with that cause I could afford it and needed spiders anyway cause they were ready to blow!!

wish I had enough $$$ for a OX locker that would have been my choice if money was no issue.

I'm not looking at it as a cheap/fixed solution to lock the rear, but for the time being I figured it might be worthwhile because of the price. I've heard mixed reviews about spools on the street even before this thread, and from what I know there's no Aussie/Lockright for the 9". Nor is there an OX... So that limits me to the Detroit or ARB. And until I have the funds for either, I figured I'd at least look into a spool as a cheap/temporary way to get more traction.
So hence, why I posted this thread- to get opinions on why or why not to get one  

[Torch_Ind]

so arb is my recommendation  unless your short on funds

[dwtaylorpdx]

Something else to consider, a 9" has about triple the parasitic drag of a Dana Axle.

While they are light and strong there is no free lunch, there are more and more
guys drag racing with hybrid rear axles, using Dana internals.

Dave