Topic: stolen cj7 grill

[Sine Deviance]

actually you're wrong.
the only instance you are correct is if it was his to begin with but even in that case if he expressed that he gives it to the club and on that account everyone else chipped in with work, money, parts, materials and such it can be still ruled that at that point it was a joint ownership. If you bring in witnesses and evidence doesn't matter who's name is registered under at the DMV.

It may seem that way in theory, but in practice, I've seen it happen in similar situations a few times. In practice, official documents tend to be more influential in court than witnesses and circumstantial evidence.

[Jeffy]

You title a grill?  Also, I would think that those who gave time and parts to the grill under the pretense of it being the clubs could file against the sale.

[sharpxmen]

You title a grill?  Also, I would think that those who gave time and parts to the grill under the pretense of it being the clubs could file against the sale.

by the way it looks it was built like a trailer so that needs to be registered (i assume it was towed to location) - but drunkencityworker can clarify that

[Sine Deviance]

You title a grill?  Also, I would think that those who gave time and parts to the grill under the pretense of it being the clubs could file against the sale.

Depends. In the original post he said it was titled to this Erik douchebag. It looks like a trailer, and in this state at least, you have to register those. I used to have a home-built pig smoker that was built like a trailer with a tongue and axle, and it required a tag and title because it can be pulled by another vehicle. If this is the case, the title or registration would take precedent. All the guy would have to say is that the club gave him the grill and present a copy of a title, registration, or other official proof of ownership. Since the grill was "given" and no money exchanged hands it would require no bill of sale. At that point it would just be the club's word against his, except he would actually have official documentation to back his side of the story. The proof of ownership would outrank any witnesses because it's an official document. I'm not saying that they won't win -- you never know how a judge is going to rule. I'm just saying that the odds are stacked against them unless the guy that sold the grill is a complete idiot and didn't keep any copies of his paperwork.

[Jeffy]

OK, I see the plate now.  So it had to be registered in someone's name.  Still, it's a bit shady to have people build it under the pretense that it's the 'clubs'.  Even if it's titled under someone elses name. Those people were donating their time, parts and services to the club not the title holder.  In which case, they should be able to collect.  At worst case, he would have to split whatever he took in from the sale.

In any case it's just a fancy gas grill.  Now if it was a wood smoker...      

[Sine Deviance]

OK, I see the plate now.  So it had to be registered in someone's name.  Still, it's a bit shady to have people build it under the pretense that it's the 'clubs'.  Even if it's titled under someone elses name. Those people were donating their time, parts and services to the club not the title holder.  In which case, they should be able to collect.  At worst case, he would have to split whatever he took in from the sale.

In any case it's just a fancy gas grill.  Now if it was a wood smoker...      

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. The guy that sold it is a shady bastid and should be beaten liberally. The problem is that the law sucks and there are loopholes to weigh it in your favor, and in this case, the douchebag has the golden scale (unless he's a complete idiot, like I said previously.)

[sharpxmen]

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. The guy that sold it is a shady bastid and should be beaten liberally. The problem is that the law sucks and there are loopholes to weigh it in your favor, and in this case, the douchebag has the golden scale (unless he's a complete idiot, like I said previously.)

if 10 pple from the club show up in court as witnesses and you have some pics to prove the work that was done it would be up to the judge to decide. worst case scenario he will have to come up with some money to compensate for part of the item which is still for the judge to decide. A contract between 2 parties can be written or can be a verbal agreement - on his part has deceived the other party (the club and it's members) and lead them to believe that the agreement is that the grill was the for the club and so it was built/restored by a collective effort based on that understanding (verbal contract). Again, it is up for the judge to decide and make a ruling including compensation, if it was me and these were the facts i would go for it just to prove a point and on top of that might come up with something in the end.

[drunkencityworker]

In Illinois trailors need a plate.

He texted that it was going to somewhere in wisconsin. Not sure what courts could do with state lines being crossed. And he could say he sold it for $1 and theres no money to recover.

There are screenshots of forum arguments where he admitted on the forum that the grill was not his to sell.

Erik/OOC has still has members privledges so that he could read what an incredible selfish prickmo he is. It gets pretty ram over in the members section. lol.

The mods can see when and where he goes. And yes the next day he did read what everyone says about him. I am fairly sure there is some illegal harassment going on since someone listed his cell ,home, and work numbers.

Personally I am trying to look at the bright side of things. I just got voted into club so I am fairly new. But he has done some shady stuff such as spotting peoples rigs into severe damage such as hydo lock and worse. If bubba was the cost to loose an asshat like that then the club is better off. Plus now we have a reason to get together a bit more often. Bubba 2. There is a possible yj that may be the next donor.
It is everywhere what a douch this guy is and well hope he just gives up this hobby cause I for one wont be wheeling with him.
Thanks for all posts and concerns guys. Will keep ya posted

[oldjeep]

Hopefully the club learned its lesson and titles the next trailer in the name of the club (I'm assuming that the club is incorporated in some fashion).

[Jeffy]

If there was a known history then they should have outed him well before anything major happened.  The guy is a jerk and vindictive at that.  I would doubt that he sold it for $1 though.  Personally, I wouldn't give the guy any privileges since that's exactly what he's looking for.  He's probably laughing about it.

If your club were to take the guy to court, the judge will ask to see a bill of sale which should have the name of the buyer on it.  If it's found that the trailer wasn't the guy's to sell then it would be considered stolen property.  This doesn't mean the club would get it back as jurisdiction ends at the state line.  But it would be entered into the database and could be picked up if someone sees it.  Lots of if's though.  The trailer is pretty unique though so I think the chance of recovery might be higher then average.

I think it would be tough to build a CJ grill as there aren't that many CJ's around.  Even YJ's are pretty rare.  Might have to make it a TJ. 

[bammerman]

I work in the judicial system and both of those guys are right.  The judge could lean one way or another with the thing being titled, as well as a court house full of witnesses.

[sharpxmen]

I work in the judicial system and both of those guys are right.  The judge could lean one way or another with the thing being titled, as well as a court house full of witnesses.

yeah, if you can prove your case it can go either way - it's still worth a shot imo, even to make him uncomfortable if nothing else.

[Jesse-James]

even to make him uncomfortable if nothing else.

As I understand it, that has been well taken care of.

[Mozman68]

Because we are so close by, someone from my club posted the pic in our forum....we're now looking at making something like this as well for the Two Trackers....

[drunkencityworker]

gl4x4..right?