Topic: 47mpg and drivable? Easy Jeep Diesel Swap

[Jeffy]

looks like there's a thick adapter between the block and bellhousing

Yup.  But that's not really a problem with the tiny engine.  Look at the location of the engine mount.  It's way forward compared to the 2.5L.

[sharpxmen]

Yup.  But that's not really a problem with the tiny engine.  Look at the location of the engine mount.  It's way forward compared to the 2.5L.

yeah, i wasn't worried about that spacer - was just saying that as you mentioned that it could be the GM bolt pattern on the block

i wonder if any of the engines installed in the Opel would work, they would be more likely have the GM bolt pattern, that might be a direct bolt-on with probably just a different clutch disk.

[Jeffy]

yeah, i wasn't worried about that spacer - was just saying that as you mentioned that it could be the GM bolt pattern on the block

i wonder if any of the engines installed in the Opel would work, they would be more likely have the GM bolt pattern, that might be a direct bolt-on with probably just a different clutch disk.

I think there are huge advantages to using a COMMON engine.   

[Torch_Ind]

I think there are huge advantages to using a COMMON engine.   

ya! I was thinking the same it's a great idea for fuel econ but I don't know if it will weigh out the costs of swap and if it breaks down what the costs.

[jfrabat]

ya! I was thinking the same it's a great idea for fuel econ but I don't know if it will weigh out the costs of swap and if it breaks down what the costs.

Yet another advantage we have doen here...  The VW engine is more common than the Jeep one!

[Jeffy]

Yet another advantage we have doen here...  The VW engine is more common than the Jeep one!

Actually, the VW Diesel engines are fairly common.  They aren't in huge numbers but I do see them.  Parts are readily available as well.  For us in the US, I think this is probably one of the few legal diesel swaps worth doing.  Keeping the transmission would keep cost down especially since it keeps the drivetrain where it is, so there is no need to get new drive shafts.  Not to mention, I can get bio-diesel easily.

[sharpxmen]

Actually, the VW Diesel engines are fairly common.  They aren't in huge numbers but I do see them.  Parts are readily available as well.  For us in the US, I think this is probably one of the few legal diesel swaps worth doing.  Keeping the transmission would keep cost down especially since it keeps the drivetrain where it is, so there is no need to get new drive shafts.  Not to mention, I can get bio-diesel easily.

is bio-diesel chaper? or just for environment sake?

[Jeffy]

is bio-diesel chaper? or just for environment sake?

Unlike gas and regular diesel, bio-diesel hasn't been taxed yet so it's about $1 cheaper per gallon.

[jfrabat]

Unlike gas and regular diesel, bio-diesel hasn't been taxed yet so it's about $1 cheaper per gallon.

Give it time, and that will most likely change... 

[Jeffy]

Give it time, and that will most likely change... 

Kind of hard to enforce it.  What are they going to do follow you home from Costco and sit around till you use your 5gallons of olive oil?  They wouldn't be able to even enforce waste oil.

[stan98tj]

overseas JKs have a 2.8l diesel. who makes that diesel and i wonder if you can get one here...

[jfrabat]

overseas JKs have a 2.8l diesel. who makes that diesel and i wonder if you can get one here...

Around here, there are also Jeep diesels, as well as Toyota, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, and just about every manufacturer (including Ford).  The thing is that you want an efficient diesel, because they are not all the same.  The reason I like the BMW is that it is LIGHT, so if you reduce weight, and increase power, the Jeep would all of the sudden become a very nice toy to have around.  Also, keep in mind Diesel engines have more low-end torque, which is also better than the 2.5L. 

If I were to go to another manufacturer, I would stay away from the Jeep engine and just drop one from Toyota (probably the one found in their HiLux pickups and Fortuner SUV's, which is a 3.0L Turbo Diesel) along with the rest of the drive train (TC and tranny).  But that means new DS and a whole lot of other mods which you would not have with the 1.9L VW engine.

[Tsd]

overseas JKs have a 2.8l diesel. who makes that diesel and i wonder if you can get one here...

It's made by an Italian company called VM Motori.

[Jeffy]

It's made by an Italian company called VM Motori.

VM Motori is owned by another company though.  Detroit Diesel bought them in 1995 and in 2000 DaimlerChrysler AG bought them.  Chrysler still owns 49% of the company.  Penske Corporation bought the other 51% then bought Chrysler's 49% and sold it to GM.  Basically, VM Motori is the joint venture division.

Problem with the 2.8L is that its even rarer then the VW.  They only made them for 3 years and they weren't ever popular.  They also never got good gas mileage and parts are scarce.  The 2.8L was used in the KJ Liberty then it was discontinued.  It also was not that dependable.  EGR's were one of the problems the engine had and those were $200 to fix.

[Torch_Ind]

VM Motori is owned by another company though.  Detroit Diesel bought them in 1995 and in 2000 DaimlerChrysler AG bought them.  Chrysler still owns 49% of the company.  Penske Corporation bought the other 51% then bought Chrysler's 49% and sold it to GM.  Basically, VM Motori is the joint venture division.

Problem with the 2.8L is that its even rarer then the VW.  They only made them for 3 years and they weren't ever popular.  They also never got good gas mileage and parts are scarce.  The 2.8L was used in the KJ Liberty then it was discontinued.  It also was not that dependable.  EGR's were one of the problems the engine had and those were $200 to fix.

wow jeffy you always amaze me on how much you know on who owns what and were and how lol   egrs are easy to fix with a block of plate lol