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4BangerTJ

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 12:15:01 PM »
Ok I think ill do that and see first. Do you have any knowledge as far as lifts go to be able to explain the pros and cons of a full suspension lift versus a small suspension lift and small body versus cil spacers and a body lift?

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 12:24:21 PM »
Ok I think ill do that and see first. Do you have any knowledge as far as lifts go to be able to explain the pros and cons of a full suspension lift versus a small suspension lift and small body versus cil spacers and a body lift?

My theory for lifts is this. Smallest lift you need for the size tire you want to run. I am a leaf spring guy not a coil spring. But with the TJ lifts the money starts going up big time when new control arms are needed. There are lots of options so prices vary. You really don't need a long arm kit with a 33 inch tire.
With the complete package you are getting the MFG designed the kit to do. If you want just the springs or spacers with the shorter lifts it might not work as well since it's not the full meal deal.
I would agree with others on the body lift. I say if your gonna do one do a 1 to 1.25 inch. If you can get away with it then don't run one.
For TJ's it seems 3.5-4 inch is needed to clear a 33. There are lots of options for kits and companies. RE,Currie,Full Traction,Superlift come to mind. Lots of guy's I run with run either RE or Currie.
I thought coil spacers where needed if your Jeep does not sit level front to back, or if you need a bit more clearance.
You need to ask your self what you are going to use your Jeep for. IE daily driver, trail queen, how big a tire your gonna end  up with ETC.
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 07:59:28 AM »
I'm not a TJ owner myself so all my advice is all based on friends that have TJ's and what I've seen work well.

If I was building a TJ for 33's  I would do a 2.5" spring lift (4wd hardware brand rund OME springs last I heard and is a good price) add to that 1 or 1.25" body lift with a 1" mm lift to correct the drive shaft angle w/o going to a dropped t-case.  I would then buy a Aussie locker for the rear maybe one for the front too, and wheel it.  Of course I would armour first if playing in the rocks to keep the body alive.

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 11:55:25 AM »
Another option is to forget about a lift, get sway bar disconnects, and trim or get new fenders, JP Magazine built a Jeep on 35's and 40's with no lift, http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbuild/154_0807_1994_no_lift_jeep_wrangler_part_1/index.html
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbuild/154_0503_1998_jeep_wrangler_tj_tire_fitting/index.html
then you wouldn't have to worry about driveshafts and it will be low stable

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 01:39:21 PM »
Ok thanks guys very good info. I think I'm gonna search for a good 3-3.5" suspension lift maybe ome or re at a good price and do the 1" body and the mm lift. thanks

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 01:46:02 PM »
A friend has the RE 3.5 super flex lift and it has worked very well.
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2011, 04:50:04 PM »
Hmm well I just ran across a great deal on a 92 wrangler I may scoop up with a 4.0 in it. I have a question though. How do those differ from the TJs suspension? Are they harder or easier to lift ad also what axles do those have D44 or D35?

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2011, 04:57:34 PM »
The axle is still the D35.  They have leaf springs.  About the same difficulty to lift, just install the kit.
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 05:16:55 PM »
Hmm well I just ran across a great deal on a 92 wrangler I may scoop up with a 4.0 in it. I have a question though. How do those differ from the TJs suspension? Are they harder or easier to lift ad also what axles do those have D44 or D35?
Lifts are typically cheaper and easier to install.  YJ's only really came with Dana 30 and Dana 35C in the US.  CA had some with Dana 44's but they are rare.  It's easier to find an XJ D44 and swap it in or else go with a Ford 8.8".
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2011, 07:42:18 PM »
I don't know a whole lot about jeeps. what is an average price for one in decent shape? Are the 4.0s much more powerful? Which model suspension is better off road?

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Re: What lift?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2011, 09:37:15 AM »
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2011, 10:02:40 AM »
I don't know a whole lot about jeeps. what is an average price for one in decent shape? Are the 4.0s much more powerful? Which model suspension is better off road?

on a TJ i think long arm suspension is the best (compared to the ones that keep the stock length arms).

4.0 has more power and quite a bit more torque but it is also heavier. It will of course outperform the 4banger on the hwy, offroad the differences are not that obvious, but again it is a larger engine so there are some differences.
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2011, 10:38:40 AM »
I don't know a whole lot about jeeps. what is an average price for one in decent shape? Are the 4.0s much more powerful? Which model suspension is better off road?

The coil sprung Jeeps flex/ride better than the ones with leafs.
The 4.0 has about 40 more horsepower than the 2.5, plus lots more torque.
Prices vary around the country hard to say on that one.
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2011, 10:44:17 AM »
4.0 has more power and quite a bit more torque but it is also heavier. It will of course outperform the 4banger on the hwy, offroad the differences are not that obvious, but again it is a larger engine so there are some differences.

I'll second that; if geared properly, a 4banger will hold its own to a I6 off road no problem.  But on the highway, the I6 will smoke you!

As far as prices, it depends on model, year and condition.  I bought a nicely built '94 YJ for a friend a few years back (33's, 4" lift, I6, Sahara model, Ox Lockers, Mean Green Alternator, Mean Green Starter, Flex-a-lite fan, soft top, bumpers and a few other goodies) for $4.5K in south FL.  If you get a built one, you will probably have to drop less coin in parts, but more likely than not, the rig WILL have been wheeled (so more risk of hidden damage).  A stocker will be a bit cheaper, but you will need to drop more coin to build it up.

As far as which model is better offroad, both the YJ and TJ are VERY capable, even in stock form.  As far as engine, also both are very capable offroad.  The main difference in engine I feel you will get ON road, but the I6 will always have more torque (more weight also).  I personally prefer the YJ because it is easier to lift than the TJ (you dont have to worry about long arm kits), but htat's just personal preference.
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Re: What lift?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2011, 11:08:16 AM »
Just want to add that in really slow going off-road the 2.5 uses A LOT less gas than the 4.0.  I've seen 4.0 Jeeps down to less that 1/4 tank with the 2.5 still around 1/2 tank or more
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