Topic: Bought some Borla Headers

[chrisfranklin]

Since my 4Banger is only on 31MTs (not 33/35MTs) I figured I wouldn't be throwing too much money away if I worked on the engine a little more so it could maybe turn the 31MTs on the highway a little bit more strongly on the stock 4:10 gearing.  If I'd been on 33/35s for tires, I'd have just gone straight to 4:88s and not messed with the engine.

With the current setup, it is getting way old sometimes having to drop to frigging 3rd gear, doing 60mph at 4000+ RPM on some grades and falling behind all the grandmas/grandpas waving at me, cruising by me at a steady 65-70mph speed limit.   Headers may not help a ton for this, but they probably won't hurt.  Can live with dropping to 4th no problem, but not 3rd.

I ordered some Borla 4Banger headers Model # "17058" since I've had one of their cat-backs for going on 7 years.   Liked the long-tube design on the PaceSetter Ceramic coated 4Banger headers, but figured I'd stick with the exhaust make that has worked ok for me thus far.  

According to Borla, these "17058s"  are apparently the ones that fit the 91-95 4Bangers. Thing is you search around for "17058"s and surprisingly few place sell them.    

Anyway, once I get them in there I might throw a header-wrap on them also -- figure the stainless tubing won't care.  And I've had good luck with header wrap on a different vehicle.  
I could also mail them out to get Jet Hot coated before installing them

Will probably follow all this with an electric fan out of a junk yard.  And try not to add any additional weight to the vehicle (yeah right  )  

[Jeffy]

Not sure if I'd do the header wrap.  Depending on if you wheel in the wet, wraps hold water nicely.

[chrisfranklin]

Not sure if I'd do the header wrap.  Depending on if you wheel in the wet, wraps hold water nicely.

Maybe instead of the heat fabric you wind around the tubings, I could do one of these
http://www.thermotec.com/products/14003-header-manifold-blanket.html

The outside is aluminized, but inside contacting the tubing is fabric.  some water might still sneak up in there while Im driving in bad weather but the "blanket" probably won't get drenched as with the cloth wrap.  If I decide to play "Das Boot" with my Jeep (unlikely in my case) maybe this aluminized "blanket" version will uninstall fairly readily also. 

[chrisfranklin]

Should change this post title to "Thought I bought some Borla Headers"

I get a note back from Hesco that supposed to be them giving me a shipping price for the order.  Here's what I get:



"Chris,

In contacting Borla they inform us the header is no longer a part made by them. I will cancel your order. It just wasn’t a popular piece with them anymore and not worth production.

Bennie

 

From: Christopher Franklin [mailto:chris@chrisfranklin.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:01 PM
To: bennie@hesco.us
Cc: bennie@hesco.us"



Guess I'm down to what for headers now?  Banks and PaceSetter?

[Jeffy]

Wow that sucks.  Order it from someone else. I'm sure there is still stock out there.

I've noticed Hurst doesn't make the shifter for the AX5 anymore either.

[stan98tj]

I bought the banks headers a while back. no issue with them. call banks directly and see if they are running any specials. i got the header and cat-back from them for a good rate.

[chrisfranklin]

Wow that sucks.  Order it from someone else. I'm sure there is still stock out there.

I've noticed Hurst doesn't make the shifter for the AX5 anymore either.

I'll try a couple of other places, but I wouldn't be surprised if they say the same thing.  Groan

[dwtaylorpdx]

I've had several dirt car and road race car headers ceramic coated. I'd do that long before wrapping. Ive work on two sprint cars witht eh ceramic and within a minute of coming off track they are bare hand touchable...

Dave

[Torch_Ind]

I've had several dirt car and road race car headers ceramic coated. I'd do that long before wrapping. Ive work on two sprint cars witht eh ceramic and within a minute of coming off track they are bare hand touchable...

Dave

I was thinking about doing this to my header so that would make me really want to do it now!! good info

how are they for heat while racing? is it better or the same as them being raped for throwing off heat?

[Jeffy]

I've had several dirt car and road race car headers ceramic coated. I'd do that long before wrapping. Ive work on two sprint cars witht eh ceramic and within a minute of coming off track they are bare hand touchable...

Dave

Pacesetter does a ceramic coating on their headers.  I'm not sure if it helps prevent rust though.  I know someone wrapped their regular pacesetter and it turned into a rusty mess under the wrappings and they had to get a warranty replacement.

It's sad that Borla has discontinued the whole 2.5L line.  Although the exhaust is shared with the 4.2 and 4.0L's so it's really not changing.  With the choices available, I'd probably go with the Banks.  They were late to the game but now that Borla is out they are probably the only choice.  Not a bad choice either.

[Torch_Ind]

Pacesetter does a ceramic coating on their headers.  I'm not sure if it helps prevent rust though.  I know someone wrapped their regular pacesetter and it turned into a rusty mess under the wrappings and they had to get a warranty replacement.

It's sad that Borla has discontinued the whole 2.5L line.  Although the exhaust is shared with the 4.2 and 4.0L's so it's really not changing.  With the choices available, I'd probably go with the Banks.  They were late to the game but now that Borla is out they are probably the only choice.  Not a bad choice either.

I still don't understand why your so against pacesetter.. mine is still running strong!! has been for quite a few years now

[Jeffy]

I still don't understand why your so against pacesetter.. mine is still running strong!! has been for quite a few years now

Poor quality.  I know several people who have had them replaced because of rust.

[sharpxmen]

Poor quality.  I know several people who have had them replaced because of rust.

yeah, good design but made of crappy material (i have one) - cheap enough though.

not sure if they have a stainless (can't remember but i don't think they do).

[Jeffy]

yeah, good design but made of crappy material (i have one) - cheap enough though.

not sure if they have a stainless (can't remember but i don't think they do).

Nope, standard and a ceramic coating version.

[chrisfranklin]

Do the banks headers come with a downpipe? The ones I've seen advertised show a photo that looks like this  http://www.quadratec.com/products/17601_502_07.htm. if no downpipe, does Banks even sell one?