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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Nicks92jeeper on October 21, 2011, 03:45:32 PM
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So I have a hard top and a soft top that came with my jeep when I bought it. I prefer to use the hard top and have never even put the soft top on to see what it looks like and if all the parts are there. Couple questions I have. Is there really any benefit to having a soft top in contrast to a hard top? Does a soft top fold down like you would have in a convertible? Also given that I have never put it on I have no clue of all of the parts are there. Does anyone have a list of parts or a source to get individual parts if I keep it? The soft top is in pretty good condition and I have no complaints about it given I know jack squat about them but it would be nice to have it as a back up as well as have a little extra cash.
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Is there really any benefit to having a soft top in contrast to a hard top?
Yes, but there are also benefits on the Hard Top. Soft top is lighter, which means it is better for wheeling, as it helps lower the CG, and lowers the total vehicle weight (meaning you will not be slaming your tires into the fenders as often when the Jeep is all loaded up. You can also run it as a Safari Top by removing all windows, which means you get better ventilation on hot days when wheeling than you would with the hard top. But the hard top makes a better deterrent to having you Jeep broken into and it is MUCH more civilized when driving around town.
Does a soft top fold down like you would have in a convertible?
Depends on the top. OEM one, no. But supertop has an aftermarket one that does fold down.
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Yes, but there are also benefits on the Hard Top. Soft top is lighter, which means it is better for wheeling, as it helps lower the CG, and lowers the total vehicle weight (meaning you will not be slaming your tires into the fenders as often when the Jeep is all loaded up. You can also run it as a Safari Top by removing all windows, which means you get better ventilation on hot days when wheeling than you would with the hard top. But the hard top makes a better deterrent to having you Jeep broken into and it is MUCH more civilized when driving around town.
Depends on the top. OEM one, no. But supertop has an aftermarket one that does fold down.
all soft tops fold down is just a bit of the pain to fold everything together when you lower it. i prefer a soft top unless its below freezing because i generally like to run with the top down and removing the hard top by yourself isn't a real option unless you have a fancy lift.
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Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the softtop unless you're going on a trip where the weather might go south and you're too far from home. Other then that you'll probably either run the hardtop most of the time and when you want to get more sun, remove the top all together. I haven't bothered to remove my hardtop this year. I like the extra level of security. When it's been hot, I have taken the doors off which is easy. I have a bikini top as well. I don't own a softtop anymore.
BTW: putting on the softtop after the sun goes down is a real PITA.
In the FAQ there is this: http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,570.html
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Hey thanks for all the thoughts and info. I have no idea what type this one is. I like the idea of being able to fold it down though and if bad weather happens I can put it back up. Pry better gas mileage and better wheelin which I have not done yet due to the sucky town I live in. I think for now though I will keep it and install it next year. Is there a way to see what type of top it is as well as is there a source to buy replacement parts if needed?
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Hey thanks for all the thoughts and info. I have no idea what type this one is. I like the idea of being able to fold it down though and if bad weather happens I can put it back up. Pry better gas mileage and better wheelin which I have not done yet due to the sucky town I live in. I think for now though I will keep it and install it next year. Is there a way to see what type of top it is as well as is there a source to buy replacement parts if needed?
You will get better gas mileage with the hardtop. The hardtop doesn't grab the wind and is 2" shorter then the soft top. The top with doors weighs more but all that flapping acts like a loose sail.
As for the type of top. It's OEM will be square.
(http://www.quadratec.com/jeep-replacement-parts/Soft_Tops/images/yj_oem_softtop_hardware.jpg)
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noise at hwy speeds is also an issue with a soft top, i only have one of those and it gets to you on long trips. Only issue i have with a YJ/TJ hardtop is the weight, it's damn heavy - can't understand why they didn't ever come up with an modular aluminum or even stamped sheetmetal one.
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noise at hwy speeds is also an issue with a soft top, i only have one of those and it gets to you on long trips. Only issue i have with a YJ/TJ hardtop is the weight, it's damn heavy - can't understand why they didn't ever come up with an modular aluminum or even stamped sheetmetal one.
Yeah, noise level really gets to you. My ears were ringing from all the noise after driving some 200 miles. Although Nick has full doors which helps a lot with the noise.
Stamped steel tops were available for CJ's and they weren't that good. Insulation on the inside was sketchy at best. Noise level was still pretty high as well. I think the molded tops were easier to mfg. but like you said they are heavy. The new tops on the JK are supposedly much lighter. They aren't fiberglass anymore which cut down on the weight. I think making them modular made it a lot easier to remove without help as well. In the 80's and 90's though, I'd be worried about the seals leaking. It was a real problem with sun roof cars in the 80's. They all seemed to leak sooner or later. Mostly sooner.
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Yeah the full doors are nice. Given that the OEM is square the good news is that it is not square so yay! I was worried about the sound of the flapping from the top and if that is going to be tolerable. I really like the hard top. That is nice but if I use the soft top I have to find a place for the hard top to go and that is part of the problem.
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one way to avoid flapping of the top is to have the door windows rolled up and open the vent or crank the heater fan all the way up, will create positive pressure and inflate the top (if you do that driving 50 or 60 and then open the door window you'll notice the difference between the 2)
still noisy but helps.
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If i had a hardtop i would run it during the winter only. It would def keep the heat in better than the softop. That said, I dont have much of an issue (if any) heating the jeep in the winter. On the coldest days it may take a bit longer to heat and may not get as hot but its never been so ineffecient as to require me to wear a jacket and gloves while driving...on the coldest days i may have to keep a sweatshirt on while driving but it hasn't been worse than that AND that's with half doors and on really cold days. Benefit with the hardtop would be the insulation.
Summer time, nothing better than being able to just pull down the top at will and put it back up whenever you like. If all you have is the hardtop, you would have to ride with a bikini top for those surprise showers, or have to go through the hassle of wrestling the top on everytime the weather looks like it's gonna be crappy.
Jeffy mentioned putting the top on at night, yes it is a pain, but once you've done it a few times it really isnt that bad and you sort of memorize how to do it. I can do mine in the dark no problem now, BUT if it cools down enough at night it becomes a pain cause the fabric constricts. My advise would be to go ahead and run the softtop during the summer and put it away during the winter.
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Jeffy mentioned putting the top on at night, yes it is a pain, but once you've done it a few times it really isnt that bad and you sort of memorize how to do it. I can do mine in the dark no problem now,
TJ is easier, YJ is more of a pain to put the top on, never got my head around why they didn't do the solid piece across the windshield frame on YJs.
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Kind of wish I had a Hard Top. But for me I run the Soft top in the winter and a Bikini Top in the summer. To put the top up best to have a temp of 70 or higher.
For storage of the Hard top there are several storage methods that get it up and out of the way.
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I live in summer only weather (COLD here is what? 60 in Costa Rica and maybe 70 in Panama?), and I have yet to either run without top (ok, I did it ONCE in Panama!) or run a soft top. But I DO feel the difference when wheeling. Oh, and I DO take the doors and the front of the top (mine is a targa) off every now and then.
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But I DO feel the difference when wheeling.
what do you mean, difference between what and what? (didn't understand what you meant)
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what do you mean, difference between what and what? (didn't understand what you meant)
I'm betting the weight difference. I notice it as well. My Jeep sits with about +.5" at the rear. With the doors and top off it's +1-2" at the rear. The suspension doesn't feel soft anymore.
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I'm betting the weight difference. I notice it as well. My Jeep sits with about +.5" at the rear. With the doors and top off it's +1-2" at the rear. The suspension doesn't feel soft anymore.
thought so but then he said he doesnt drive his without the hardtop so that's what got me confused.
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what do you mean, difference between what and what? (didn't understand what you meant)
Weight difference, as Jeffy stated. With the Jeep loaded up for a 2 day wheeling trip, the rear tires hit the fender well. And chains only make the damage a bit more interesting!
thought so but then he said he doesnt drive his without the hardtop so that's what got me confused.
I mean compared to when I ran the soft top... Remember I ran it with the soft top for about a year and a half and then got the hard top.
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Ours has a softop. I replaced the original with a Bestop sailcloth unit this summer and it is quieter. As far as folding it, you just release everything and take out the windows. It will fold down without removing the rear window but folds better if you do. It's okay in the winter but our Jeep does not have A/C (heresy to some, I realize) and in the summer I can't imagine driving it with a hardtop on.
I'm at an age where I have more forehead every day and ballcaps tend to blow off, so this past summer I would usually take the windows out and sometimes take the doors off, but leave the top on for shade.
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Ours has a softop. I replaced the original with a Bestop sailcloth unit this summer and it is quieter. As far as folding it, you just release everything and take out the windows. It will fold down without removing the rear window but folds better if you do. It's okay in the winter but our Jeep does not have A/C (heresy to some, I realize) and in the summer I can't imagine driving it with a hardtop on.
I'm at an age where I have more forehead every day and ballcaps tend to blow off, so this past summer I would usually take the windows out and sometimes take the doors off, but leave the top on for shade.
If you don't get a hardtop then just getting full doors will help a lot.
The hard part with soft tops is rolling up the windows without scratching them all up.
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If you don't get a hardtop then just getting full doors will help a lot.
Yeah, ours came with full doors and crank windows. One reason why I bought the one I did. I put door edge guards on the bottom of the doors so they don't scratch when I set them down. I'd like tube doors for summer but it rains a heckuva lot here all year.
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I run with both tops. I just put the Hard top on for the winter. It is quite heavy and cumbersome for what it is. but it does make a difference in the winter. I do not have any carpeting in my jeep so heating it in the winter is quite a challange even with the hard top. I do like the soft top for summertime. (especially with no AC). It is very liberating though to drive around with the top down and the doors off. Even in the suburban jungle.
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I don't have one, yet, but Bestop makes a headliner for soft tops. Ought to keep it somewhat warmer and quieter.
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For a daily driver, the hard top is more convenient due to the added security. Here in Monterrey, Mexico I would not even think about running a soft top. If I ever manage to buy another car, I'll keep the YJ as a trail rig and convert to a safari top and soft doors since the hard top is just dead weight to lift up obstacles.
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For a daily driver, the hard top is more convenient due to the added security. Here in Monterrey, Mexico I would not even think about running a soft top. If I ever manage to buy another car, I'll keep the YJ as a trail rig and convert to a safari top and soft doors since the hard top is just dead weight to lift up obstacles.
Pretty much the same issues I have here; I kind of HAVE to have a hard top, but I HATE lugging all that weight around when wheeling!
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I don't have one, yet, but Bestop makes a headliner for soft tops. Ought to keep it somewhat warmer and quieter.
But not the older ones like YJ's.