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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: haulincats on April 01, 2010, 07:08:30 AM
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My radiator doesn't leak yet but it doesn't look very good.
I want to replace it before it starts leaking with an aluminum one?
Where is a good place to buy one. I do have a 4 cylinder with an auto trans.
Thanks,
Vance
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Why aluminum? Seems like a lot of extra $$$ when the stock ones work fine.
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You can get a 2 core aluminum for as much or less then a copper and brass on ebay. With all of the inexpensive aluminum radiators, it's hard to choose a copper and brass one.
If your radiator fins are all rusted out then it's a good idea to replace it. Mine would crumble if you touched them.
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The stock type replacement I bought cost $120 - how much are you getting direct fit aluminum radiators for?
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The stock type replacement I bought cost $120 - how much are you getting direct fit aluminum radiators for?
i think i paid $125 for mine shipped for a 2 core all aluminum with welded tanks off ebay. Stock ones with plastic tanks are about $70 or so new on ebay (or they were that much when i got mine).
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Mines all metal with a tranny cooler, the one I pulled out may have had plastic tanks.
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You can get a 2 core aluminum for as much or less then a copper and brass on ebay. With all of the inexpensive aluminum radiators, it's hard to choose a copper and brass one.
If your radiator fins are all rusted out then it's a good idea to replace it. Mine would crumble if you touched them.
That is how mine is. It is not leaking but with summer / hot weather coming I want to
replace it before it starts.
Thanks,
Vance
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From what I've seen, the aluminum YJ/CJ radiators are around $130 shipped for a 2-core. 3 core are around $200.
On a similar subject, everyone makes a big deal about number of cores which makes it a bit confusing. I think I've seen up to 4 cores. 3 cores seem to be popular with copper/brass. Although 2 core is the norm for most OE radiators. Aluminum come in 2 core with some offering 3 core. I would guess that more cores allows for more surface area but then you're using smaller tubes.
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From what I've seen, the aluminum YJ/CJ radiators are around $130 shipped for a 2-core. 3 core are around $200.
On a similar subject, everyone makes a big deal about number of cores which makes it a bit confusing. I think I've seen up to 4 cores. 3 cores seem to be popular with copper/brass. Although 2 core is the norm for most OE radiators. Aluminum come in 2 core with some offering 3 core. I would guess that more cores allows for more surface area but then you're using smaller tubes.
the stock one i had on i think it had 1 core and was 5/8'' thick (at the fins) - still have it in a corner, i'll have a look at it to confirm.
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the stock one i had on i think it had 1 core and was 5/8'' thick (at the fins) - still have it in a corner, i'll have a look at it to confirm.
I think my original was a 1 core with really wide tubes. My current one is a 2 core with smaller tubes.
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So ebay is the place to get one? Mine is looking bad too, lots of staining around the metal - plastic contact area...although it seems to work just fine.
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all aluminum - $120 with free shipping, 1 core, 1.25'' thick http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/87-88-89-90-91-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3efcb2b3ecQQitemZ270527542252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
plastic tanks aluminum rad - $70 with free shipping, 1 row, 1'' thick http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-93-94-95-96-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-2-5-L4-RADIATOR-NIB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27af30d9c2QQitemZ170442938818QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
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all aluminum - $120 with free shipping, 1 core, 1.25'' thick http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/87-88-89-90-91-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3efcb2b3ecQQitemZ270527542252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
plastic tanks aluminum rad - $70 with free shipping, 1 row, 1'' thick http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-93-94-95-96-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-2-5-L4-RADIATOR-NIB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27af30d9c2QQitemZ170442938818QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
What about one for my 98 2.5 with an auto?
Thanks,
Vance
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What about one for my 98 2.5 with an auto?
Thanks,
Vance
i think they're the same rad, but here's the one listed for your year - $140 with free shipping (i bought the same one for $125 so you might want to shop around) this one is a 2 row, almost 2'' thick and has tranny cooler
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-99-00-01-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQitemZ250511631234QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a53a82382#ht_4209wt_939
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$125 for a jeep radiator sounds like a steel compared to the $300 radiator i had to buy for my atv during the winter Polaris must think their parts are made of gold... come to think of it my jeep could use a new radiator.
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for a stock like is $70 which i think is freakin' cheap - they quoted me $220 here at the parts store before i looked on ebay (and good thing i did). comparatively a rad for my camaro was $115 at the same store, have no idea why the difference as the camaro one is bigger, might be the mounting brackets that come with the rad.
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most aftermarket radiators are built for all automatic transmissions. they would have a plug for the transmission cooling lines. though i personally would rather bypass it with a large add on cooler
It's good for those who do not have Auto's to get the coolers in case they want to run a cooler for something else, like PS or oil.
For those with an auto, I would still use a radiator cooler WITH an external cooler. You can't really have too much cooling.
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Here is one with two cores just a bit more expensive:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-95-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-2-5-4-0-New-Radiator-2-row_W0QQitemZ180489409795QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a0601d503
Would this cool significantly better than the 1-core?
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Here is one with two cores just a bit more expensive:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-95-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-2-5-4-0-New-Radiator-2-row_W0QQitemZ180489409795QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a0601d503
Would this cool significantly better than the 1-core?
EDIT: it has plastic tanks judging by the picture
that is still 1'' thick so not likely, this one is 1-3/4'' thick so it's better http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-99-00-01-JEEP-WRANGLER-YJ-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQitemZ250511631234QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a53a82382#ht_4209wt_939
and is the same price. might want to send him an email to doublecheck it works for '95.
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Good find! Thanks. It is ambiguious with the 97 YJ, better to check as you said.
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Good find! Thanks. It is ambiguious with the 97 YJ, better to check as you said.
do an extensive search on ebay - there are tons of them on there. I found mine that way, same as the link i posted (2core, 1-1/4'') but it was listed for 91-95 YJ and was only $125 shipped. i spent a good hour looking thru all the listings.
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Both Autozone and Advance Auto Parts list the same part number for a 1995 YJ and 1997 TJ radiator for the 2.5 engine. It looks like there should be no problem.
Thanks
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It's good for those who do not have Auto's to get the coolers in case they want to run a cooler for something else, like PS or oil.
Now you got me intrigued; so how do you go about using it as an oil cooler? Do you need to tap the oil pan? The PS sounds easier...
I bought mine for about $130 and it does have the auto cooler, but since I am not using it, it would be an interesting project to do now that the Jeep is in Costa Rica and I can work on it (until June, anyway!). I would prefer to do the oil, but if it's too complicated, I may do the PS.
By the way, on the original subject, I bought mine off eBay, but I think the place I got it from was Radiator Barn or something like that... AL with welded tanks. I think it was a single row one, but I dont remember (cant see it on the pics, and I am in Panama until Wednesday while the Jeep is in Costa Rica)... Here's a Pic of it.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC02391.jpg)
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Now you got me intrigued; so how do you go about using it as an oil cooler? Do you need to tap the oil pan? The PS sounds easier...
I bought mine for about $130 and it does have the auto cooler, but since I am not using it, it would be an interesting project to do now that the Jeep is in Costa Rica and I can work on it (until June, anyway!). I would prefer to do the oil, but if it's too complicated, I may do the PS.
By the way, on the original subject, I bought mine off eBay, but I think the place I got it from was Radiator Barn or something like that... AL with welded tanks. I think it was a single row one, but I dont remember (cant see it on the pics, and I am in Panama until Wednesday while the Jeep is in Costa Rica)... Here's a Pic of it.
you put an adapter on the oil filter (it is sandwiched between the oil filter and the oil filter mount), it would have 2 fittings coming out of it, 1 feed and 1 return. One problem though is that you want a thermostat on it, those are more expensive - otherwise in the winter you would keep the oil too cold which is not desired. if you do want to do it i suggest using a separate oil rad instead and still use an adapter with a thermostat built in.
EDIT: something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEVY-OIL-COOLER-ADAPTER-TRANS-DAPT-BRAND-NEW-N-R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem23065ec0a2QQitemZ150430728354QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
this one has a thermostat and it is the way to do it, i don't recommend using the cooler without one unless you are in a hot climate http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GReddy-Oil-Cooler-Adapter-with-Thermostat-M20XP1-5_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53e08d4e4eQQitemZ360249642574QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
or this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevy-V8-PH3506-13-16-Thermostat-Oil-Cooler-Adapter-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56333d8073QQitemZ370226856051QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
not sure if any of them would work on the Jeep though, i listed these just as an example
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Winter in Panama you are talking about 85*; Costa Rica is cooler, and can go down to 65*, but still, not cold... But I'll see if I can find one for the Jeep; for 30 bucks, it's not a bad idea. Besides, it should give me one more quart of capacity, which is not bad.
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Winter in Panama you are talking about 85*; Costa Rica is cooler, and can go down to 65*, but still, not cold... But I'll see if I can find one for the Jeep; for 30 bucks, it's not a bad idea. Besides, it should give me one more quart of capacity, which is not bad.
go with the thermostat one - in the last link i posted they say if you give them the oil filter p/n they'll tell you if it works on Jeep. It was $20 more but the thermostat is worth the difference (would take lot longer for the oil to come up to temp otherwise).
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do an extensive search on ebay - there are tons of them on there. I found mine that way, same as the link i posted (2core, 1-1/4'') but it was listed for 91-95 YJ and was only $125 shipped. i spent a good hour looking thru all the listings.
I just ordered the 1 3/4" thick 2 row core. Is this like the one you got? Did you have to trim the shroud due to the extra thickness?
Thanks
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I just ordered the 1 3/4" thick 2 row core. Is this like the one you got? Did you have to trim the shroud due to the extra thickness?
Thanks
yeah, that's the one. The tanks are the same thickness, you don't have to trim anything - the outside dimensions are same as stock, if you look at yours on the engine bay side you'll see that the core only uses 1/2 the tank basically whereas this one would have the core over the whole width almost.
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go with the thermostat one - in the last link i posted they say if you give them the oil filter p/n they'll tell you if it works on Jeep. It was $20 more but the thermostat is worth the difference (would take lot longer for the oil to come up to temp otherwise).
I just got a sandwich type one with thermostat... I'll hook it up later on. This with the eFan and DCC controller should keep the engine nice and cool when wheeling on a hot Panamanian day (over 100*).
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yeah, that's the one. The tanks are the same thickness, you don't have to trim anything - the outside dimensions are same as stock, if you look at yours on the engine bay side you'll see that the core only uses 1/2 the tank basically whereas this one would have the core over the whole width almost.
Great! Sounds like it will be just bolt on. Thanks
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Which one of the handful of resellers are you going to go with?
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Which one of the handful of resellers are you going to go with?
I went with radiatorclassic. So far so good, they answered a couple of questions pretty fast and had free shipping. amcdiscounts also replied promptly but with shipping it would have been a bit more expensive.
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I just got a sandwich type one with thermostat... I'll hook it up later on. This with the eFan and DCC controller should keep the engine nice and cool when wheeling on a hot Panamanian day (over 100*).
which one did you get?
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which one did you get?
I got this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370233143768&viewitem=&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2&category=46095); according to the description and the seller, it works for all applications that use the Fram PH16 filter (which we use).
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I got this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370233143768&viewitem=&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2&category=46095); according to the description and the seller, it works for all applications that use the Fram PH16 filter (which we use).
You should still be able to use a PH8A on there. Might not be able to go with the bigger one though.
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I went with radiatorclassic. So far so good, they answered a couple of questions pretty fast and had free shipping. amcdiscounts also replied promptly but with shipping it would have been a bit more expensive.
I'm looking at several from RadiatorGuys, Radiators4Less and radiatorclassic. I'm not really sure what's the difference. They all seem to look very similar and they all seem to say they get them from the factory and not a middle-man. The ones that are said to be US made are $100 more then the others. I'm not sure how a warranty would work either.
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I'm looking at several from RadiatorGuys, Radiators4Less and radiatorclassic. I'm not really sure what's the difference. They all seem to look very similar and they all seem to say they get them from the factory and not a middle-man. The ones that are said to be US made are $100 more then the others. I'm not sure how a warranty would work either.
the ones in the $100 to $150 range with aluminum welded tanks are made in China.
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the ones in the $100 to $150 range with aluminum welded tanks are made in China.
Yeah, but what isn't these day's. They do make some good things there. I think as long as it's preen pressure tested and there is some sort of warranty, it should be fine. Although for $200, you can have a US made one... $137 shipped is hard to beat though.
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Yeah, but what isn't these day's. They do make some good things there. I think as long as it's preen pressure tested and there is some sort of warranty, it should be fine. Although for $200, you can have a US made one... $137 shipped is hard to beat though.
most likely the core on the $200 one is made in China too - i don't see how it can't be considering the price. if you look at the racing rads they are $500 or more.
i was just stating the obvious with the made in China rads, it is pretty much a given for everything that is dirt cheap nowadays, although India seems to step up to the plate too but i found that the quality is most of the times better on the Chinese products (but not top notch). My intercooler was also made in China and it is actually really nice and was sold at lower price due to scratches on one of the tanks, i looked at a brand new one here in a racing auto parts store - looks exactly the same, the core seems identical (inside and out) - the one i got was under $100, the one in the store was something like $700 if not more and other than the logo on it was the same thing (on the positive side the logo was engraved in the tank, not painted) .
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The biggest issue with things made in China is Quality Control. Companies that order stuff need to do batch checks and refuse sub-par products. For most of us though, we don't need race quality stuff. The biggest difference I see is the use of cross-flow instead of the top down like we usually see.