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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: grumpygy on May 28, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
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I have the Taurus Fan coming in. Do not really have the time to search salvage yards during the day. So went with EBAY. Found a Spot on the web that had a great write up on the conversion and they recommended this controller.
Our 2sp controller will control all of the two speed Ford cooling fans, including the 3.8L Taurus fan correctly, the low speed circuit is calibrated to turn the fan on low at 185F, but is adjustable over a wide range of temperatures. The high speed circuit turns the fan on high at 10 degrees higher in temperature while disabling the low speed circuit
But they are taking their time sending out the controller. Has anybody used one with this description. Will post the link to It in a minute.
Here it is
http://www.dccontrol.com/fancontrol.htm
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lots of pple used it
you should go with the variable speed one though, much better (unless you ordered it already).
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People have used it and you'll generally get a bit more good reviews then bad ones.
Although, expect to wait a bit as the guy builds them as the orders come in. Really all you need would be the low-speed circuit as the fan pushes some serious CFM's even in low-speed.
I'm just using a Flex-a-lite fan thermostat and a 45A relay on the low-speed circuit since it's cheap, KISS and works well.
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Although, expect to wait a bit as the guy builds them as the orders come in
Thats what I was wondering. Has not even sent an e-mail saying he got payment. that was last Sat.
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Thats what I was wondering. Has not even sent an e-mail saying he got payment. that was last Sat.
i sent him an email 3 weeks ago with some questions and never got an answer, so you're not alone.
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I emailed him a few times and never got any response. He might make a good product but his customer service sucks. Although, I've heard some some people having issues with his controller as well. The only feature I like about his controller is the pulse width modulation you get.
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I got my controller from him about 4 or 5 years ago. The controller died about 4 or 5 months ago, so I ordered a new one about 2 weeks ago. Same as you, not a word from him... It took a while for the first time to get the controller, so I am being patient with this order... You can make your own 2 speed controller with two releays and a sensor thermostat, as well as the 2 speeds, but you can also do what Jeffy is suggesting.
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Really hope it gets here by next weekend. I get the fan in on thursday.
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Really hope it gets here by next weekend. I get the fan in on thursday.
it won't, more like 1 month from when you paid (and i'm being optimistic).
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Well I may end up doing iot the other way.
Sewnt him another e-mail referencing a quote from his web site.
We appreciate the value of our customers not as commodities, but as our best means of long term market expansion. There is no better advertisement than word of mouth.
Told him word of mouth is not good about his customer service. :brick:
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Well I may end up doing iot the other way.
Sewnt him another e-mail referencing a quote from his web site.
Told him word of mouth is not good about his customer service. :brick:
You can always do what I did... I used a 3 position switch, and connected the IGN signal to that swith. You also have to get a 40A fuse holder (Maxi Fuse will do the trick) and a 30A Bosch relay (the one with the 97a option). What you do is you now have the option for ON (using the relay and the low speed positive, regardless of temperature, which is the best option for wheeling), AUTO (using the DCC unit, which is the best option for daily use), or OFF (neither unit working; it's a good option to have for river fording and deep mud holes).
Now, also, if the DCC unit ever fails, you have a plan B. And you can use the Plan B while the DC controlelr arrives (I am actually doing this right now).
Felipe
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I just picked up an electric fan today from a 94 sable with the 3.8L. I am going to order the 79.95 DC Control today as well. My one question is what do you guys do with the power steering reservoir? I like it all to look nice and original so dont really want to just zip tie it to something. Pics are appreciated. Maybe aftermarket reservoir or something?
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I just picked up an electric fan today from a 94 sable with the 3.8L. I am going to order the 79.95 DC Control today as well. My one question is what do you guys do with the power steering reservoir? I like it all to look nice and original so dont really want to just zip tie it to something. Pics are appreciated. Maybe aftermarket reservoir or something?
I did not move the reservoir with the Ford fan; in fact, I moved it with the Lincoln fan, but not because of the fan but rather because of the thicker Griffin radiator (3" thick instead of 1.5" of the stocker), which caused it to hit the airbox...
This is how it used to look (with an aluminum radiator of stock thickness):
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC03828.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC00546.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC02405-1.jpg)
And this is how it looks now:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC09194.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/DSC09193.jpg)
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It looks like you have a YJ, I guess I should clarify, I have a TJ. On my 97 2.5L TJ the power steering reservoir connects right onto the clutch fan shroud. Once I remove the stock shroud I will have nothing to connect it to. look at the top picture on this link. http://www.thegreatestdog.com/jeep/_htmpages/onboardair.htm (http://www.thegreatestdog.com/jeep/_htmpages/onboardair.htm)
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It looks like you have a YJ, I guess I should clarify, I have a TJ. On my 97 2.5L TJ the power steering reservoir connects right onto the clutch fan shroud. Once I remove the stock shroud I will have nothing to connect it to. look at the top picture on this link. http://www.thegreatestdog.com/jeep/_htmpages/onboardair.htm (http://www.thegreatestdog.com/jeep/_htmpages/onboardair.htm)
you can make your own bracket, there was a thread in here for this exact issue - the guy used a pre-drilled angle from home depot and cut a piece to mount his p/s reservoir
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Well just got the Fan in and after looking at it had to recheck the e-bay ad.
THIS 3.8 TAURUS FAN HAS A REALLY GOOD MOTOR AND A REALLY NICE SHROUD. RUNS GREAT, LOOKS GREAT. THE POWER MOTION MOTORS LIKE THIS ONE GIVES 1/4-1/2" MORE CLEARANCE THAN THE SIEMENS MOTORS.
Cause they are right it does not look like its ever been in a car, It looks brand new.
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Well you were right still waiting on the controler and not one word from the guy.
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ordered my controller friday. it sounds like ill be waiting awhile ;(
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Looking to put a fan on my jeep but I don't think I'm gone to order one of these controllers after the stuff yall have said. Customer service means a lot to me and this guy don't seem to have that
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Just shy of 30 days so far and not one word. Several e-mails sent not one reply. I did find a phone number to call, its their warranty line.
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Just shy of 30 days so far and not one word. Several e-mails sent not one reply. I did find a phone number to call, its their warranty line.
someone was saying something like 2 months, keep us posted. I never got a reply on my questions so i decided not to order although it's pretty much the best controller out there (the variable speed one, not the 2 speed).
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Looking to put a fan on my jeep but I don't think I'm gone to order one of these controllers after the stuff yall have said. Customer service means a lot to me and this guy don't seem to have that
I'm running a Flex-O-lite thermo controller with a 40A relay and a 40A circuit breaker on the slow speed. No complaints.
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I am also running the Flex-o-like adjustable controller. Works good! I yanked my fan from a Pontiac TransSport minivan at the local dump. Managed to mount it onto the original shroud, and it works pretty good. Doesn't take much to cool the squirrels. Actually, the controller, switch, and relay were the only things I spent any cash on! :beers:
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/YJWralph/Jeep%20upgrades/SSPX0048.jpg)
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/YJWralph/Jeep%20upgrades/SSPX0049.jpg)
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/YJWralph/Jeep%20upgrades/SSPX0053.jpg)
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how did you route your posi lock cable? mine is currently installed backwards because going drivers side looked like it would interfere with the fan when it was installed (im now running electric so that isn't a concern anymore)
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It's zip-stripped to the axle just on the passenger side of the pumpkin, then a gradual curve outside the bumpstop and back inside the frame rail, up on the right side of the brake reservoir, back over the steering shaft and in through the firewall... I also covered it with heater hose where it might rub on anything. No problems so far...
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cool. may switch mine over as pushing in to engage doesn't work so well sometimes.
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Well Just sent my last E-mail to request shipping info. I gave him till 29 July to respond.
Sir I am coming up on my time limit to file a claim with PayPal. I have not heard one word from you. I also have not received the product. I have heard that it is a good product. But if you do not respond I will never know.
This is my 3rd attempt to contact you.
David Nelson
After looking this was the 4th time I've tried to contact him.
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Well Just sent my last E-mail to request shipping info. I gave him till 29 July to respond.
you mean June?
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you mean June?
Yep Now I have to see what my E-mail said.
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Yep Now I have to see what my E-mail said.
:roflol:
might as well wait another month, but I think there's a limit on paypal claims so look into that.
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:roflol:
might as well wait another month, but I think there's a limit on paypal claims so look into that.
Yep I put 29 July so just sent him another.
Yes there is a 45 day limit on paypal Paid on 21 May added a few more days so I make sure I have time to file my claim.
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:roflol:
might as well wait another month, but I think there's a limit on paypal claims so look into that.
You bring up a good point; I also paid for mine, but have yet to hear from him... I'll check the dates and see what's going on here. For all I know, the guy could have died or something!
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Honestly, I don't know how someone can stay in business with zero contact of any sort. There are only a few choices if you want a controller that has PWM but really it's not that crucial.
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Honestly, I don't know how someone can stay in business with zero contact of any sort. There are only a few choices if you want a controller that has PWM but really it's not that crucial.
Didn't want to set it up with another if that one was coming in. Like to do something just once if I can. So will wait till I either get a refund or the controller.
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I have the 2 speed DC controller. It took just over a month and minimal contact. This was 1 1/2 years ago.
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I have the 2 speed DC controller. It took just over a month and minimal contact. This was 1 1/2 years ago.
As in none till it arrived.
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I can't remember. I went through all my old emails and could not find one to DC.
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I can't remember. I went through all my old emails and could not find one to DC.
He does not reply to emails at all. I'd recommend waiting 30 days and then contest the payment. He will have a few days to come back.
Oh, I heard that Flex-a-lite updated their variable controller, pn #31165. It now has PWM technology. It supports up to 45a which is low but should be fine for the low-speed circuit.
http://www.amazon.com/Flex-lite-31165-Variable-Control/dp/B000CNN3LS
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Well I'm to late for the 30 Day mark that went by last week. :brick:
Was thinking of the Flex-a-lite and still use a larger relay for safety. Just waiting on how this turns out.
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In my case, I rather use the DCC one because it is all wired up; if I run the Flex-a-lite one, I would have to rewire everything... Brian did respond to some of my mails on how to diagnose his controller, but since I purchased the new one, I have not heard back from him!
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Well I'm to late for the 30 Day mark that went by last week. :brick:
Was thinking of the Flex-a-lite and still use a larger relay for safety. Just waiting on how this turns out.
With the Variable controller I don't think you run a relay. It's all controlled in the black box. You can't have PWM on the switch side of a relay. It must be on the power side.
If you went with the adjustable thermostat then you would run a separate relay. This is what I'm running now. The fan is either on or off no PWM.
In my case, I rather use the DCC one because it is all wired up; if I run the Flex-a-lite one, I would have to rewire everything...
It wouldn't be that hard to rewire it as you've run all the wires already. You would just need to cut and reconnect to the new controller.
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With the Variable controller I don't think you run a relay.
Thought about that right after I hit enter.
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Thought about that right after I hit enter.
did you order the 2 speed or the variable speed one?
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2 speed
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2 speed
there are 2 relays on that one
I think i would like to make my own PWM controller - have done some research and the control portion can be done with a PIC microcontroller and an LM35 precision temp sensor. seems that you can get parts that will operate from -40C to +125C (+150C for the temp sensor) so that is a fair enough range i think for automotive use. there is a power (high amp side) portion to this which i didn't get into yet but that should be straight forward once i figure out the schematics and code. the nice thing about it is that with the microcontroller you can basically program whatever ramp-up ratio you want and also whatever temp to rpm ratio and the percentage increase can be variable as well (non-linear i mean). I would have to be re-written but they are cheap enough that i can have 3 or 4 that can be swapped out on the road. I would also want to have an ambient (outside) temp probe and have the fan speed based on that, like in the winter most likely shouldn't be running at all or low speed compared to summer when you need more airflow to get the same cooling effect. And i'm also thinking some additional inputs like oil temperature (if there is an oil cooler in front of the rad), inlet air temperature (for the forced induction so it will turn on to run air thru the intercooler at low travel speed) and some other things might come up (like A/C control if I ever get one installed which is not very likely, or manual OFF/FULL override mode)
I just need time to work on it...
will probably cost more in the end than buying one from this guy but the fact he didn't answer any of my emails makes me look somewhere else.
I don't like the spal one due to lack of features.
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Well decided that I would not wait . Just turned it into a claim with Paypal. They settled in less than a 1/2 hour. Being refunded so time to look at that other one.
Went with the claim because if I'm having problems now what will happen if I have a problem with it.
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Well decided that I would not wait . Just turned it into a claim with Paypal. They settled in less than a 1/2 hour. Being refunded so time to look at that other one.
Went with the claim because if I'm having problems now what will happen if I have a problem with it.
Even with the 30 days gone they accepted? I am considering doing the same... I have not heard a word from this guy, and it's been almost 2 months since I sent the money...
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Even with the 30 days gone they accepted? I am considering doing the same... I have not heard a word from this guy, and it's been almost 2 months since I sent the money...
45 days is the limit. will go with the 31165 that was mentioned above.
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45 days is the limit. will go with the 31165 that was mentioned above.
Well, he resurfaced today with an e-mail saying mine is ready to be shipped out today just as I was about to put a claim in PayPal. So I guess your complaint shook him into getting his ducks in a row.
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I got tired of waiting so I went ahead and ordered some parts, will be testing and if all goes well i'll have one made the way i like it - he's just not good enough communicating so any issues i might have down the road will not get answered (still didn't hear back from him but even if I did 2 months later would be no good anyway in case something goes wrong).
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I got tired of waiting so I went ahead and ordered some parts, will be testing and if all goes well i'll have one made the way i like it - he's just not good enough communicating so any issues i might have down the road will not get answered (still didn't hear back from him but even if I did 2 months later would be no good anyway in case something goes wrong).
That is Exactly why I turned mine into a claim.
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Just ordered the 31165 Flex a lite. Will give a report when I get it in.
There are a couple of others on E-bay that would be nice if I had the cash about twice what I paid for the 31165.
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Just ordered the 31165 Flex a lite. Will give a report when I get it in.
There are a couple of others on E-bay that would be nice if I had the cash about twice what I paid for the 31165.
links?
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It may be E-bay but the part is coming from Summit racing. I have plenty of parts shipped from them so I can at least trust them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Flex-a-lite-Variable-Speed-Controller-31165-/330582882324?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf8467814
Or you could get it straight from them.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-31165/
Same price and same cost for shipping "Free"
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It may be E-bay but the part is coming from Summit racing. I have plenty of parts shipped from them so I can at least trust them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Flex-a-lite-Variable-Speed-Controller-31165-/330582882324?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf8467814
Or you could get it straight from them.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-31165/
Same price and same cost for shipping "Free"
i thought you meant different kind.
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i thought you meant different kind.
Hope this works.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__?_sacat=6030&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_m2home=1&Make=&Model=&_myi=&_rkw=fan+controller
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Well just got word the one I ordered last night will be here Tue.
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Well just got word the one I ordered last night will be here Tue.
Mine (DCC) got shipped today as well...
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Mine (DCC) got shipped today as well...
Will need to see which one arrives 1st if at all.
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Will need to see which one arrives 1st if at all.
Not a fair competition; mine is coming all the way down to Costa Rica, and mail here ain't exactly fast (even by snail mail standards!)
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Just got out of Friday holiday stop and go in Tucson, 108 degrees, AC full blast, Mark VIII fan running on low speed (only speed hooked up to a cheapo Autozone in radiator hose thermostat and salvage yard 40 amp relay) and the temp gauge stayed right where it always is.
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Well had a little trouble getting the fan to sit on radiator so it looked good. Had to use 1/2 spacers on one side. But its on there good now and looks like it belongs. Got my relay in and wired it up today. Jeep must have a better cooling system than I thought too forever for it to come up to temp for the fan to kick on. But it was the right temp so I left the setting. Just sitting there it does not run long. I have it on the low speed side and it cools it right down. With the slow start it does not seem to put a strain on my charging system. But then I do have a 160A Alt.
Now clearing all the shroud and stuff out of the way it looks like I have a slow seep at the Upper hose/thermostat Housing. Will need to watch that. Also need to clean the front of the engine now that it is out in the open.
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My DCC controller arrived to my forwarder in Miami on the 7th... I now have to wait for them to bring it here and then I have to take it with my to Panama on the 17th to install in the Jeep (assuming it will leave the shop before that, which is unlikely because the DS will not arrive until Thursday 21st!).