Topic: Lockers

[Jeffy]

The only downfall of a lincolin locker is that it's always locked.

You'll see faster tire wear because the tires will scrub more as they they get dragged through corners.  Because of this, it's harder on your driveline.  But unlike older detroits and lunchbox lockers, there won't be the shock from having it enguage all of a sudden.

For a daily driver, I wouldn't recommend it.  Especially if you have a long commute.

[Bounty Hunter]

I haven't noticed much increase in tire wear, sure they scrub in the tightest of corners but it's invisibly in anything more.  Frequent rotating is the key.  They're ultimately predictable onroad and off so it gets my highest recommendation.  My 44's will have spools front and rear for this reason.

Has anybody else here ran a spool or Lincoln Locker on the street much?  Most I know who have are pleasantly surprised with how well they do.

[SMC4WD]

Welding it is just plain scary.  

Sure it's cheap, and it could last a lifetime, but no way is it for everyone.  Plus, welding the front (without hubs) is worst.  Driveability in 4WD must be a bear.

Now if you throw so much weld in there, what if you do bust an axle?  How do you get that thing out of there?  I've seen people throw as much weld as they possible can.  And can you really weld a C-clipped axle?

1. Weld it for next to nothing
2. Lock-right, Aussie locker, or Quick-lock for really cheap
3. limited slip (Auburn, Gleason, Trac-lok) for a bit more
4. Locker for even more money
5. Selectable for the most money.

I'll personally label them
1. cheap
2. decent
3. sometimes works (rebuildable)
4. dependable
5. most expensive, but worth it

[Bounty Hunter]

Ya, I'm cheap, but I also believe in using what works.  No, it isn't a bear to drive in 4wd.  It takes a few extra point-turns in the tightest of trail turns but the tradeoff in traction is worth it.  My D44 front is a vacuum disconnect type (in the diff cover) and it will have an aircraft cable to control it.  I'll then be able to disconnect the driver's side axleshaft from the spool which will make tight turns a breeze.  Poor man's selectable locker if you will (read "CHEAP")

[Jeffy]

Wow, you must be cheap is you swapped one of those crappy D44's.   :wink:

[chrisfranklin]

I read something about this guy who does lincolns front and rear on his CJ.  Said he has manual front hubs, so both front wheels are spinning freely in 2wd (despite having a front axle that's been fused together ).  Then, in 4WD he locks the front hubs and is fully locked up to the welded front axle (of course it's an undifferentiated "4WD," likely suited only when you expect to have a wheel or two off the ground).  And, of course there is likely some heavy wear on the rear tires.

But, Interesting solution if you have a old 4x4 CJ or maybe Chevy rig with manual hubs.

[Bounty Hunter]

My Waggy D44 will have lockouts for total freewheelin onroad.  It will have a spool instead of Lincoln Lockers because I need a new carrier anyway, then the cable disconnect will allow 3wd for easier turning offroad.

There is no noticable increase in tire wear from having the front spooled or welded.

[Bounty Hunter]

Detroit Locker for the Dana 35 D35 fits low gearsets 3.55, 3.73, 4.11, 4.56, 4.88. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8035236604&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT

[Chowmaster]

I welded the rear in my old truck with a 12bolt.  of course i didnt really know how to weld all that well and i used a 115 volt wire feed welder.  still i wheeled the whee out of it and drove it on the street to work everyday.  the front dana 44 with no locker broke more than the rear did.  After a while some pieces poked through the cover and it leaked, but still worked till i swapped in a 14 bolt.  of course nowadays i would only weld an offroad-only rig, and i upgraded to a stick welder.

[troysjeep]

Ok, can someone tell me what a "super35" is? Thanks, Troy. :?

[SMC4WD]

A "Super35" is a kit a few different companies distribute to 'beef up' the rear axle of a Jeep (Dana 35).

It is a kit that includes a locker (Either a Detroit or an ARB), and it includes axles which are 30 spline.  Stock D35 axles are 27 spline, so these aftermaket axles are thicker and made of stronger materials.

The overall internal strength of the D35 is upgraded.  Although the outer axle tubes are still weak, and it's still a c-clip.

[troysjeep]

A "Super35" is a kit a few different companies distribute to 'beef up' the rear axle of a Jeep (Dana 35).

It is a kit that includes a locker (Either a Detroit or an ARB), and it includes axles which are 30 spline.  Stock D35 axles are 27 spline, so these aftermaket axles are thicker and made of stronger materials.

The overall internal strength of the D35 is upgraded.  Although the outer axle tubes are still weak, and it's still a c-clip.

Thanks, are all D35's c-clip and what are the pros and cons?, Troy.

[SMC4WD]

the con's of a c-clip are:

If the axle breaks, nothing holds it into place...  the axle slides right out of the housing.   (Now rumor has it, c-clips don't break, axles break.  If you can get an axle that'll never break, then c-clips aren't an issue)

C-clip carriers are minimally weaker.  Very minimal, but because they have to cut a window in the carrier, it weakens the carrier.

Plus...   Most everyone just hates the D35...

[Jeffy]

Thanks, are all D35's c-clip and what are the pros and cons?, Troy.

Read this thread,
http://www.4bangerjp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=467