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Offline sharpxmen

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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 01:16:19 AM »
Never had an electrical fire under your dash while driving?

n/a, won't count for that much percentage unless you do it with doors and windows closed.
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 09:53:53 AM »
Never had an electrical fire under your dash while driving?

Uhm....  not really...
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Offline Jeffy

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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 12:57:01 PM »
n/a, won't count for that much percentage unless you do it with doors and windows closed.
And if you are?  Not everyone has an open Jeep and you can't predict when a fire happens.   It's just something to be aware of.  15% isn't much. 
Uhm....  not really...
A friend of mind had what started as class C fire at the dash/firewall that quickly turned into an engine fire that then engulfed the whole front end fo the Jeep.  Ended up being a total loss.  I think he had a 2lbs extinguisher.
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 01:28:21 PM »
Everyone mentions that the pressure in their dry chem. is holding fine and therefore assume its OK. In commercial buildings dry chems. are required to be serviced every year, not only because of the pressure but because of the tendency of the fine powder to compact in the container. It will compact so hard it can render the extinguisher unless when you need it most. I remove mine every few months and tap it with a rubber mallet and shake it up to prevent it from compacting to much. Just sitting in a building it compacts, so think about hard it can become in a vehicle. We service and refill the dry chems. on our fire/rescue vehicles and its amazing how hard it becomes. CO2 Extinguishers are also required to be hydro-statically tested very 5 years and dry chem every 12 yr's. which usually makes it cheaper to buy a new one as opposed to refilling your small dry chems (if they are refillable) and having to have it tested if it is over the test date.

 

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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 01:39:49 PM »
And if you are?  Not everyone has an open Jeep and you can't predict when a fire happens.   It's just something to be aware of.  15% isn't much. 

here's what i think and i'm far from being an authority in the matter so take it with a grain of salt:

your body has a built in alarm system for excess of CO2, if you try to hold your breath that's just what happens - you'll eventually start gasping for air and that is due to increase co2 content in your lungs, an automated failsafe trigger that will force you to open your mouth and breathe in fresh air - it's not the lack of oxygen that sends the alarm, it's the increase content of co2, hypoxia is one of the known issues, where for example, at high altitude the lack of oxygen causes the brain to malfunction with no warning or discomfort other than getting tired quickly and that is since there is not enought co2 to "tell" you something's wrong, you'll be losing consciousness without realizing what is happening to you. An inert odourless gas could have the same result in high concentrations which would result in low oxygen percentage, you'd be out without warning and without enough oxygen you might sustain brain damage.

At the other extreme is for example deep diving, i can't remember all details but in this case the air you breathe in has added nitrogen to prevent too much oxygen from going into your lungs and bloodstream (would be due to increased air pressure going in your lungs so you can breathe and that would result in more air mass and therefore a higher oxygen count per each breath, without the increased pressure at those depths to compensate your lungs would collapse).

On the other hand i don't see anyone stopping the vehicle with smoke coming out and not opening the door, stepping out and deploying the f/e from the outside (side of the car) somehow, if you do run into trouble (too much co2) your body will tell you and even if you continue to the extreme (unlikely, try doing that by holding your breath) you'll pass out and release the trigger, should dissipate quickly and you won't lose your life (but then again that's with a door open, doesn't have to be with the top off.
Enclosed spaces with automated gas based fire suppression are dangerous as you might not be able to make it out of the room and colapse in which case your life is in danger - that's why all of them have pre-deployment alarm and have override emergency switches in that area for cancelling the process.

but then again nothing is 100% failsafe, regardless of what type of f/e you are using since it is under pressure if you mishandle it you can get hurt and that includes what you are saying (releasing the gas and not take precautions of breathing in excessive amounts - in that case yes there is a risk and that also includes the dry-chem ones which i doubt are safe in an enclosed space either).

but that's just my opinion - i'm no expert in the matter so if anyone knows more i'd like to hear it (i guess i'm too lazy to google it)
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2011, 05:32:30 PM »
We don't have a fire extinguishers in any our jeeps yet. should really get some. I have seen a few car fires and they get nasty quick..  :yikes:
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 01:00:14 PM »
I do e-crew at the race track on occasion, the rule ALWAYS is GTFO. THEN save the car.

We don't spray water inside the car until we have the driver out to avoid steam flash burns and or moving/igniting spilling fuel/oil around.

There is a product called "Cold Fire' that can be put in water type extinguishers, its really effective. We use it at the track becasue it puts out fuel fires and is cheap. and does not ruin a engine like a dry-chem bottle will.

Dry chem is exactly like pouring grinding compound in the engine, it goes through air filters and any gap it can find, the compound also melts on surfaces that are hot and nearly impossible to get off.

A "Fire Bottle" brand in car extinguisher system with install kit is about 400 bucks.
Usually its 1 nozzle in the engine bay and 1 in the passenger bay and one in the fuel cell can.
It has a remote pull that gets installed convenient to the driver.  It should fit under the driver seat of a jeep.
Put 1 nozzle in the engine bay and one on top of the dash One under the dash pointed up and your covered.

A battery disconnect properly installed is great insurance as well. If you kill the battery
and alternator the electrical system is dead. (Good thing) Because electrical fires seldom
keep burning if the power is gone.

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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 01:39:29 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I took a look at the Cold Fire products on the internet and they look pretty good.
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2011, 03:59:22 PM »
PS: GTFO = Get the F*** OUT!  :thumb:
Hahah I can see someone taking that to heart and bailing from a moving vehicle on the interstate.   ;)  :lol:
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2011, 10:39:41 PM »
I have a can of the Cold Fire in the Jeep. My fireman friend gave it to me some time ago. It's a small can but it's better than nothing.
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Re: Fire Extinguishers
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2011, 08:03:30 AM »
I like those cans can be pressurized with a bicycle tire pump, pretty convenient.
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