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Jacob1

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More power plan?
« on: June 03, 2012, 07:28:01 PM »
So here is the run down. I've got a 95 RIO, 5 speed. Like a  :asshat: I put 33's on it. So, now the thing will barely get outta its own way. A re-gear is outta the question right now. It has no cat (PO). So, I have a slightly used flowmaster 44 I am going to throw on it, and I am thinking the 4.0 TB. But which one do I need? I see lots of conflicting info. Am I going to see an increase? I maybe have $50-75 to work with- yeah I'm tight. Help is appreciated.

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 07:38:39 PM »
Check the FAQ's.

Thius one is on the throttlebody swap.

http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,8.0.html

  But not much besides a gear change will really help.  Going the Electric fan does help some.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 07:48:14 PM »
Check the FAQ's.

Thius one is on the throttlebody swap.

http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,8.0.html

  But not much besides a gear change will really help.  Going the Electric fan does help some.

Thanks, yeah, I have one laying around somewhere I think, pretty sure. I just find it hard to believe these motors can't be made to make more power with traditional upgrades. But I come from a V8/ streetrod, musclecar background. Thanks.

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 08:24:18 PM »
Thanks, yeah, I have one laying around somewhere I think, pretty sure. I just find it hard to believe these motors can't be made to make more power with traditional upgrades. But I come from a V8/ streetrod, musclecar background. Thanks.

what do you mean by traditional upgrades?
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 08:38:26 PM »
Regear it.  It will makes the biggest difference.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 09:22:17 PM »
Thanks, yeah, I have one laying around somewhere I think, pretty sure. I just find it hard to believe these motors can't be made to make more power with traditional upgrades. But I come from a V8/ streetrod, musclecar background. Thanks.

nevermind the previous question,

yes, you can make more power with a high flow filter, remove the restrictor tube in the airbox when you upgrade the filter, 4.0L t/b or larger, higer fuel pressure and/or larger injectors, cam/valve springs, higher compression. With all that and a good cam you can probably get an extra 25HP at the wheels

e-fan will free up some ponies when not running

gears will give you the most pep from standstill/in acceleration (back to stock like if you go 4.88)
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2012, 01:22:02 AM »
$50-75 is real tight to work with and not really enough to make a difference. I used to buy into those "HP increase" gadgets and installed a few on my jeep, but unless you do anything major: supercharger, turbo, engine overhaul,piston/cylinder work etc, you aren't going to feel any difference with just a few gadgets and much less for anything in the $50-75 range. I have currently installed the following on my jeep: AEM cold air intake ($200), 62mm throttle body (~$60), throttle body spacer (~$40), Banks header and cat back monster exhaust ($400), Random Tech high flow cat (~$150), all those upgrades came with hp/torque increase claims and increased mpg claims and in the end, i think i netted 1-2mpg better (that was really the AEM more than anything) and prob picked up 10 hp if that. Trust me, you won't feel ANY difference and it's all mostly a waste of money. All those products seem to work well on the 6cyl as i have friends who run a combo of all of those and their engines seem to do much better, but that may be due to the larger displacement and power available to them. If you want more power out of that 4banger you're going to have to turbo, supercharge or other heavy engine mods, and of course you can top it off with the parts i listed above. Cheapest and most financially effective way to regain that power loss is probably to regear. By that I mean even though it costs more to regear front and rear axles than it does to buy all the stuff i listed, you will actually gain something from it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2012, 10:28:39 AM »
A regear is in the future, just not now. I am NOT going to dump money into the crap-tacular stock axles. Its not going to happen. The fan is free, the muffler is free. The intake and spacer will eat up my "budget" but seems like will actually do some good. Anyway, I appreciate what you all are saying about the re-gear, and I get it. The cost for full width axles is just not there for me right now. But, back to the topic at hand, will these items make a noted difference, or do I just throw in the towel for now?

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 11:43:19 AM »
they make a difference but it will not blow your socks off - if you're on a budget skip the spacer, not worth it imo, very little increase if any.
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 11:45:03 AM »
A regear is in the future, just not now. I am NOT going to dump money into the crap-tacular stock axles. Its not going to happen. The fan is free, the muffler is free. The intake and spacer will eat up my "budget" but seems like will actually do some good. Anyway, I appreciate what you all are saying about the re-gear, and I get it. The cost for full width axles is just not there for me right now. But, back to the topic at hand, will these items make a noted difference, or do I just throw in the towel for now?
exhaust, tb, cold air intake...yes, it all helps technically as you are improving flow but the results are so minimal you may as well save your money. You will not notice much of a difference if any. As i said, the only difference i noted was in the AEM intake where i believe i may have gained 1-2 mpg. All the rest of the stuff make more "sound/noise" that maybe would lead you to think you just gained a bunch of power, but it really hasn't changed much. If you're able to get a good cold air intake, throttle body and spacer for $75 then I would say go for it. But the reality is they cost much more than that and they really don't make that much of a difference to justify the money spent, esp if you are on a tight budget. Save your $$, do the regear, build up the motor and add those parts when you are done...or just swap the motor out outright.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2012, 05:37:28 AM »
exhaust, tb, cold air intake...yes, it all helps technically as you are improving flow but the results are so minimal you may as well save your money. You will not notice much of a difference if any. As i said, the only difference i noted was in the AEM intake where i believe i may have gained 1-2 mpg. All the rest of the stuff make more "sound/noise" that maybe would lead you to think you just gained a bunch of power, but it really hasn't changed much. If you're able to get a good cold air intake, throttle body and spacer for $75 then I would say go for it. But the reality is they cost much more than that and they really don't make that much of a difference to justify the money spent, esp if you are on a tight budget. Save your $$, do the regear, build up the motor and add those parts when you are done...or just swap the motor out outright.

Swap it? really? yeah, thats what I hear everywhere else. Didn't really expect that here at "4banger". LOL  :brick:

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2012, 05:39:05 AM »
they make a difference but it will not blow your socks off - if you're on a budget skip the spacer, not worth it imo, very little increase if any.

THANKS!  Yeah, I know its not gonna be a ton, but I do appreciate the honesty. I think I got my hopes up when I read "Most productive thread ever" in FAQs

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2012, 12:14:11 PM »
I'm not sure how the muffler will do anything.  It's a Series 44 which I think is similar to the Series 40, I used to have.  It was too big and you give up low-end torque for high end HP.  I think the proper muffler for a 4banger is a series 60.  I'm certain the series 44 will be loud.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 12:29:13 PM »
yeah, I double checked the muffler. It aint a 44. I think it is a 60 series. Its pretty quiet.

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 04:56:47 PM »
Swap it? really? yeah, thats what I hear everywhere else. Didn't really expect that here at "4banger". LOL  :brick:
I like my 4banger, does great off road but I am no longer fooled by go fast/power increase gadgets. The best thing you can do is regear. Dont waste your time and money on the rest cause they wont create enough of a change and you'll be left wondering why you even spent the cash. Like i said before, i bought a lot of those parts and they still are on the jeep: AEM intake,  banks header+ exhaust, high flow cat, TB, tb spacer....thats over $800 worth of stuff, not including the fact I used to have a Dynomax cat back "Super Turbo" exhaust that was nothing but loud, loud, loud and a year later rusted. Those $800 gave me a few more ponies and 1-2 mpg increase. I assume the HP went up a hair, but nothing i could feel.
Dunno what to tell ya bud, you want more power out of that jeep: regear, build up or swap out. I used to want to build up the motor like a handful of our members have done with superchargers or turbos...and then I found the 1.9l diesel swap and that's what I'm doing.
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