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midnightcwby

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« on: March 21, 2006, 12:53:21 PM »
Hey guys, sorry about writing another book with this post, but I would like to share some information I hope will be useful to those of you who are interested in getting more control and adjustability over the electronic fuel injection system that governs our little 2.5l engines.  I wanted to let anyone know who might be interested know that I have successfully built my first MAP sensor adjustor per the instructions I got through a thread on this board and the Google research I did on the subject.  I changed the design a little to suit my tastes, and to offer a few features the original design didn't offer. Now I will admit that I have a lot more electronic theory and circuit design/creation experience than most people I know, so this was very easy and quite enjoyable a project for me, but it's easy enough that a simple one can be made by someone with only very basic electronic skills (I think one of the designs that was offered didn't even need soldering, it relied instead on connecting all the components with a screw-down type terminal strip).  My design relocates the circuit to the passenger compartment.  I added a second adjustable voltage regulator circuit to run in parallel with, but independent of, the single regulator circuit the original design called for.  I added a second switch as well.  The end result is I have a nice little box on my dash that has 2 presets that are selectable with the flick of a switch.  One switch selects between the stock signal and the new, modified signal. The second switch selects between the two adjustable regulator circuits.  This allows you to tune one circuit for maximum fuel efficiency, and tune the other circuit for a more aggressive setting and select between these two settings instantly.  You can also re-adjust these settings anytime you like from the comfort of your driver's seat! No need to climb under the hood to fumble around with the adjustor pot's anymore!  

   I also have located and modified a circuit for a Air/Fuel ratio gauge. I'm going to build this right into the MAP sensor adjustor box I built so I can monitor and adjust my fuel ratio without having to get out of my seat, all in one little box!

   If anyone is interested in this stuff, I will be happy to provide information and I am debating producing a few of these MAP/Air-Fuel ratio boxes like the one I have, for a modest contribution cost (I need to recover the cost of materials and time that goes into building and testing one of these babies!  It will be ridiculously cheaper than anything else you can buy, and offers a lot more adjustability and better features than any commercial units I've seen yet. Just to give an idea, I think the MAP adjuster-Air/Fuel ratio meter combo box can be built and shipped for less than you can get a cheap Air/Fuel ratio gauge from AutoZone, or anywhere else for that matter-probably less than, or about $50 for the whole she-bang including all the wiring you'll need to install it and nicely detailed install instructions).  I will ONLY extend this offer to members of this board, if I do decide to build a few extras, and this will ONLY come after I fully test these things and am completely satisfied in their operation.  So far, it bench tests PERFECTLY!  I get total adjustment of my MAP sensor reference signal from ~0vdc to 6.55vdc.  The original reference signal is 5.0vdc.  This is more than enough adjustment to compensate for the 4.0l Throttle Body upgrade and other future mods.  



I would SERIOUSLY suggest using an Air/Fuel meter if you want to try and make one of these MAP adjusters on your own.  Setting this thing is just a guess if you don't have any type of real-time feed back from your engine.  My Air/Fuel ratio meter I'm making building (as with most commercial units) can share the stock O2 sensor's signal with the ECM, or you can have your favorite exhaust shop weld in a bung for a second O2 sensor somewhere near the exhaust manifold.  Install a single wire sensor in this new position and wire up your gauge to that if you'd like to keep the gauge separate from the ECM's O2 sensor, whatever you want.  I'm cheap right now, so I'm double dutying my O2 sensor.  The draw back, though, is if my single O2 sensor starts to go bad due to old age, I won't have a separate sensor's signal to compare it to, so it might take a little longer to realize your sensor is taking a crap on you.  That's not a big deal though; eventually you'll figure it out when your A/F ratio gauge consistently gives weird readings all of the sudden and the classic dead O2 sensor symptoms emerge.

jackhammer

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM »
this a question I have been dying to ask...Do you have emission testing.

midnightcwby

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2006, 01:33:20 PM »
Nope.  That's ok though. The "Back to Stock" switch will eliminate any changes the box made.  If your concern is that the mods you've made have inadvertently affected your A/F ratio causing you to run to lean or rich and thus, messing up your emissions tests, this box (with use of an A/F ratio meter) could possibly help you re-adjust your mixture and pass your emission tests.

littleredbeater

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 01:42:26 PM »
I'll take one of those. I was going to do that project as well but it keeps moving down the priority list. Keep us poasted

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 02:03:36 PM »
Well, if you want, you can send one to me for testing.

For the air/fuel meter are you going to use a gauge or a light bar?  Personally, I think a light bar would be better.  Then it could be easily remote mounted to the dash someplace.
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midnightcwby

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 02:25:56 PM »
The original design calls for a 10 segment L.E.D. bar graph, so the first one I do will have that.  The next one I do will have individual L.E.D.'s arranged in some neat configuration.

One of the advantages of this setup is I can, like you suggested, remotely locate the bar graph or the L.E.D. array if I choose.  I, personally, will build mine into my MAP sensor adjustor box so I can have my adjustment and my A/F ratio in the same place, but that's just personal preference.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2006, 11:53:55 AM »
I'll take one too. My Jeep has been running rich for as long as I have had it. I would love to lean it out a little and get better anything from that little motor.

midnightcwby

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 11:31:36 AM »
I'm ordering the parts to make the Air/Fuel ratio meter today. When I get the parts in I'll design, etch and drill the circuit board, and solder everything up I'll post and let every one see 'er (I should have all that done a day or two after I get the parts in because I'm excited to get this thing in my Jeep and working).  I'll then get it in the jeep and hopefully take a few pics of my Air/Fuel ratio at different settings as a result of the MAP adjuster.  This project is getting very overshadowed in my mind by an even greater project I'm going to be starting in the months to come though; the Mega Squirt engine management system;) !!!

midnightcwby

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2006, 10:04:59 PM »
Ok, here's a few pics of the circuit board with all the components mounted and tested.  I just have the 2 switches to mount to the front panel of the enclosure and I need all the stuff to make my A/F gauge and mount that in the front panel of the box too.  












That's where that is, hope you got a laugh or two at my disorginaztion skills!

Offline Jeffy

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2006, 10:42:47 PM »
Wow are you drawing with solder?  :lol:

Care to scan the schematic?  It would be 100x eather then drcyphering that mess.  :lol:  :wink:
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littleredbeater

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2006, 08:49:04 AM »
when it's done e-mail it to me and I'll make a nice CAD drawing for everyone including part numbers and stuff. Nice work......... your making two....right? haha

midnightcwby

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 09:59:45 AM »
I etched the copper with Ferric Chloride (Radio Shack has it, #276-1535A).
I then run a solder trace over it to make the proto-type a little more resilient to over current and flexing and other stuff that could cause the thin little copper traces to fail.  I draw doodles on it too (as you can see) to reduce the amount of copper that the Etchant needs to remove... I'm just impatient and that makes the board finish faster  :wink:    I definitely planned on scanning the image and fixin' it up so it's actually readable for you guys, I just had the pic so I posted it, I was kinda click happy I guess.  I'll email it with the part number list to anyone who wants it, when I get a moment or two! 8)

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2006, 12:58:03 PM »
I figured you traced the board with solder.  I've built IC's before but never slathered solder all over them.  :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2006, 04:21:31 PM »
So for those of us just reading along...  (or, electronically challanged)...

Let's get something that littleredbeater suggested.  A CAD and parts list would be fun.  I've love to try to built something like this.  

In the meantime...   I'll keep reading along.

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I built my first adjustable MAP sensor, and some other junk
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2006, 08:30:13 PM »
I thought I heard you need a wide band o2 sensor to correctly read your air/fuel ratio?I don't know a hole lot about it but I am very intrested in how you box works and buying one if you decied to realy make some up.
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