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Offline Jeffy

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Replacing Fuel Injectors Part III or IV...
« on: September 25, 2015, 05:52:13 PM »
I'll be up front, I've been having intermittent error codes for a while now.  I'd fiddle with th engine and they would go away till they came back again.  This became more and more frequent as time passed.  I was getting not one but three Code 27's.  That's the error code for fuel injectors.  So if I was to believe the code, I had at least two injectors fail.  When one goes, you don't really notice it.  When two go, you get a rough idle and a loss in power.

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If you didn't know already, the 2.5L can idle on 2 cylinders.  If you've ever change the distributor cap and forgot which way the rotor went, you would have experienced this first hand.  (It's 1324 not 1234.)  The engine will fall on it's face if you try to drive but it's good to keep that in mind when diagnosing problems.



So, I've had to replace my injectors a few times over the years since swapping to the Ford's.  The first were the Design II's.  Then a few years later I had one fail and so I went with Design III's.  Since I bought 8 this time, I went through two sets in about 8 years.  The stock Denso's always worked as backups.  This time I decided to take a look at what's new.  I also wanted to buy new injectors since all of the other sets were take-outs off ebay.



If you do a search on Google, you'll see fiveomotorsport.com.  They were one of the first to cater to Jeeps and other vehicles with non-OEM options.  They listed the Design II's as well as the Design III's but also showed a new Bosch that was supposed to be an upgrade to teh Design III's.  They have the same 4-jets and the plastic body like the Design III's.  They're even the same 19psi/hr @ 43.5psi.  The most noticable difference is that they're black.  I'm assuming the others are Ford spec while these are more generic Bosch's.



If you haven't taken injectors out,  It's not a big deal.  There are 2 10mm bolts and 2 10mm nuts holding the throttle cable bracket and a sensor to the fuel rail.  Under the two nuts are two more bolts that are 13mm (I think).  Once those are out the rrail can come out.  I'd also advise disconnecting the CCV tube and the vacuum on the front of the fuel rail.



If you're still using the stock injectors then you'll have those small metal clips holding the injectors on.  The Bosch/Ford injectors don't use those.  In all honesty, they are necessary.  The injectors are a tight fit and won't fall out.  They are more of a factory fail safe when putting the engines together then anything else.



Be sure to use some silicone grease on the o-rings.  It will help keep the o-rings from tearing and make installing them much more pleasant.

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Re: Replacing Fuel Injectors Part III or IV...
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2015, 10:12:10 AM »
It's been a few days now.  What's your take on the injectors?  I'm interested because of needing to replace mine.  Had been doing some research and had just about decided when I saw this post.  The injectors I was looking at were the 0280155705 as opposed to the 0280155884's you installed.  It appears that flow specs are roughly the same between the two.  Not sure what the actual difference is.

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Re: Replacing Fuel Injectors Part III or IV...
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 02:15:06 PM »
It's been a few days now.  What's your take on the injectors?  I'm interested because of needing to replace mine.  Had been doing some research and had just about decided when I saw this post.  The injectors I was looking at were the 0280155705 as opposed to the 0280155884's you installed.  It appears that flow specs are roughly the same between the two.  Not sure what the actual difference is.
Well, I went from 2-3 failing injectors to 4 working injectors so that's a big difference.  They seam to work fine and I've got no complaints.  I don't have a real baseline anymore since I've gone through so many injectors.  I will say this though, if you can buy new.  Over the long run, it will be better then having them fail at some inopportune time.

I forget if I mentioned this but I got mine from FiveOMotorsports on Amazon.com for cheaper then it would cost from them directly.
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Re: Replacing Fuel Injectors Part III or IV...
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 08:18:41 AM »
Well, I went from 2-3 failing injectors to 4 working injectors so that's a big difference.  They seam to work fine and I've got no complaints.  I don't have a real baseline anymore since I've gone through so many injectors.  I will say this though, if you can buy new.  Over the long run, it will be better then having them fail at some inopportune time.

I forget if I mentioned this but I got mine from FiveOMotorsports on Amazon.com for cheaper then it would cost from them directly.

Jeff,

What are you doing about the fuel pressure?  Correct me if I have this incorrect,  stock fuel pressure regulator for the 2.5l (1993) reduces the pump pressure from say 40 psi to 31psi at idle. Are you using a different pressure regulator? Does the 0280155884 need to operate at a higher pressure to get the full benefit?  Will the 2.5l ECM handle the increased fuel flow ok?

I have been putting up with the hesitation,  stumble whatever you want to call it around the 2k rpm mark for way to long. Been reading your other threads on the injectors and am really hoping the 0280155884 injectors will eliminate that. I have replaced the TPS, cleaned the throttle body and IAC, checked resistance at the coolant temp sensor and manifold temp sensor (seem to be in range). For un-related reasons I've replaced the fuel pump/sending unit but have not checked the fuel pressure after replacement.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Offline Jeffy

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Re: Replacing Fuel Injectors Part III or IV...
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 08:46:48 PM »
Jeff,

What are you doing about the fuel pressure?  Correct me if I have this incorrect,  stock fuel pressure regulator for the 2.5l (1993) reduces the pump pressure from say 40 psi to 31psi at idle. Are you using a different pressure regulator? Does the 0280155884 need to operate at a higher pressure to get the full benefit?  Will the 2.5l ECM handle the increased fuel flow ok?

I have been putting up with the hesitation,  stumble whatever you want to call it around the 2k rpm mark for way to long. Been reading your other threads on the injectors and am really hoping the 0280155884 injectors will eliminate that. I have replaced the TPS, cleaned the throttle body and IAC, checked resistance at the coolant temp sensor and manifold temp sensor (seem to be in range). For un-related reasons I've replaced the fuel pump/sending unit but have not checked the fuel pressure after replacement.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm using a fuel pressure regulator modded by Sharpxman.


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I think it was mentioned somewhere in this thread.
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,8066.0.html

Here's another option he did.
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,7916.0.html

There's also the Hesco Aftermarket Fuel Pressure Regulator.
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