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chrisfranklin

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Ever have trouble using Sylvania Silver Star Headlights?
« on: April 17, 2006, 03:33:31 AM »
Have been using Sylvania "Silver Star" lights for the last 3 years.  Yesterday was the 5th time in that 3 year period that I had to replace a headlight.  The Silver Stars go for 30 bucks a crack at your local Autozone, PepBoys, etc and I was getting a bit fed up having to replace a headlight with another $30 Silver Star every 6 months or so.  So I went back to a pair of Sylvania's Standard Halogen.     :evil:

Now, yeah, the light aint as good.  But, the SQEELING noise that I have been having a hard time locating for the last month or so (mentioned in a couple of previous posts) has somehow ceased (doubt that this is attributable to a headlight change, though, or even to some kind of overdrawn alternator or something).  

I do have a few things drawing on my electrical system and standard alternator: sirius radio/speakers, phone, gps, inverter, alarm, 135db horn.  Maybe too much together with the Silver Star lights, too. I am skeptical that this is the reason, though

might4banger

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2006, 05:34:31 AM »
I have had the silver stars for a year or so... no problems at all.

BTW - I found them for $19 at a local dept. store.

joe-joe

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 08:11:52 AM »
I have had my silverstars in my TJ for 14 months now with no problems at all!

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 11:00:58 AM »
Well, glad to hear its just me.  The Silver Stars are decent headlights, so it must be something electrical on my end.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 06:16:00 PM »
I've seen them for $25 but haven't tried them out.  For $35-40 you can go with a H4 bulb though.  I've given up on my headlights for now.  Driving at night is a bit dangerous since they are so dim.  Although some of this is because of the lift I have.  I should angle the lights down to get a better beam pattern.

I run PIAA lights, which can be seen in the how-to, so I have a driving light and fog lights for the extra light.  Works much better since they are lower and brighter.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 05:03:16 AM »
i've always run silverstars until the jeep b/c the blueish tint looked like it belonged on pablo's civic....

petty reason i guess but i just didn't like it.


great bulbs though.  they seem to last me 16-24 months on my other cars.

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yellowta

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2006, 07:29:18 AM »
The squeeling could have been the headlight relay under the dash. It may be shorting out internaly or something or sending too much amperage to the lights causing them to burn too hot. Just a thought! :roll:

Erik

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 09:27:22 AM »
relays either open or close a circuit.  they can't regulate amperage.

the squealing as mentioned in the other post was most likely the alternator belt slipping b/c as you added drain on he alternator it became harder to spin and thus slipped the belt on the pulley a little.  tightening the belt would get rid of it.  if it wouldn't then it's possible the bearings in the alt are going out.

midnightcwby

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2006, 02:20:37 PM »
Here's just a quick thought.  If you do have a high drain on your electrical system, and your stock alternator is in less than perfect shape, those lights could have been pulling your voltage down to about the cutoff voltage for the headlamp relay. This sounds dumb but just hear me out for a sec...

The headlamp relay (or any other relay for that matter) is an electro-mechanical device, meaning it is a mechanical switch that is controlled electronically. When power is applied, the switch is "closed"; when it is removed, the switch is "opened" again by a spring that is weaker than the coil that "closes" the relay.

Now, all relays have a specific "cutoff" voltage. The cutoff voltage is the MINIUM voltage that the relay will reliably hold a "closed" state or position. Any less, and the relay's coil will not make enough magnetism to hold the contacts closed against the pull of the return spring, and the relay will not stay "closed".  

This is usually an undesired condition caused by draining the source battery below the cutoff voltage, or by simply drawing too much power from the source at one time.  In your case, if you’re bulbs (in conjunction with your other electric loads) were actually pulling the jeeps charging system voltage down to the headlamp relays "cutoff" voltage, you would  actually hear the headlamp relay make a squeal noise as long as the voltage remains at this low level.  Once the electrical system is taxed less (turning some crap off) the squeal will get lower pitched/quieter/ or disappear all together.

To explain why the relay squeals when it's operating at or just slightly above it's cutoff voltage, think of how the system works for a sec.
The headlamp relay is controlled by your headlamp switch on the dash.  The headlamp relay allows a small amperage switch to control a high-drain load, like your headlamps.  The relay itself pulls it's coil voltage from the same source as the headlamps do.  If the big, high drain headlamps lower the charging system's voltage to about the coil's cutoff voltage, the relay will not be able to hold the contacts closed.  The headlamps will loose power and the voltage will begin to rise again.  If you don't turn the switch off, the voltage will eventually raise to the point that the relay will then fire again.  This causes the headlamps to draw full current once again, and thus, causes the voltage to drop again to the relays cutoff.

Now, you might be saying "yea, but I don't see my headlights blinking on and off..." no,  you won't see them blinking on and off.  Do you see the lights in your house blinking on and off? No. But the voltage going to your house lamp actually drops to zero and then reverses it's polarity. You don't see it because it happens 60 times per second. The bulb never gets a chance to cool and stop producing light.  What you see is the average of the bulbs "brightness" over a wide range of voltage.   In your jeep, if you are actually hearing the relay squeal, then the relay is letting go and closing again (or thrashing) many times a second. The headlamps will not blink on and off, they will stay steady, though a touch dimmer than usual.  Also, since the average of the voltage you're feeding them is lower than it should be,  and since you are feeding them a rippled DC current, the filament will receive much more exercise then normal... this will DRASTICALLY shorten it's life.

Your relay's coil could just be week too. That would cause the same problem if your charging system ended up testing good and not being the problem. If that's the case you'll have to get one from the bone yard (or a new one if you prefer).

The ground connection to the headlamp relay's coil could be bad too. This would cause low/unreliable voltage at the coil which could cause the relay to thrash as well.

Of course, there is always the possibility that any one of the connections on the control side of the relay could be bad/intermittent.  The relay coil ground wire is usually the culprit though.

If the relay overheats and/or the wiring to the headlamps themselves is hot while this is happening, the ground's for the headlamps could have high resistance causing the headlamp circuit to drop more voltage than it should.  This could theoretically cause the voltage drop and cause the relay to thrash too, but usually if I see something like this happen, it just welds the contacts of the dang relay together and the headlamps won't shut off... same with cooling fan relays...

Man, sorry I wrote such a long post.  I hope I explained my point so it actually makes sense to normal people. ;)

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2006, 07:53:09 PM »
midnightcwby, Holy Cow!  :D That was a frigging answer and a half!  

I changed/tightened  the belt about a month ago and the alternator and water pump were relatively recent changes, too.  So, was definitely looking for a different reason for the the problem.

Yeah, maybe what you are talking about with the relay is the answer here.  I'm starting to point fingers at the relay myself.  Thanks.

SMC4WD

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 10:12:37 PM »
Ok midnightcwby, that was probably one of the eloquent, well worded post that I've read in a long time.  Yes it was long, but it was soo informative.

I can't top it, I'll I can say is try free first.  That's a slogan that someone taught me.  Free costs time, but that's all.  Don't chase your tail on this one.  Start by checking the obvious, connections, battery charge, stuff like that.  You can replace it all, or replace the relay only (I'm sure it doesn't cost that much).

But I'll say this..  Take the advise of someone who knows...  midnightcwby sounds like he knows.

midnightcwby

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2006, 07:20:07 AM »
I spend a lot of time searching electrical theory on the internet... I like electronic stuff 8)

My good friend, the late Dennis Bennett, taught me just about everything I know about automotive electrical systems and trouble shooting at Seeley Wright when I worked there.  I'm always glad to pass on information to keep the knowledge he gave me alive!

yellowta

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2006, 07:33:48 PM »
Atornators don't get harder to spin as you increase load... but you were right about the relay thing :lol:  So no, that wouldn't explain the squeel either 8)

Erik

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2006, 12:23:26 PM »
alternators do get "harder" to spin as you pull more current......

yellowta

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2006, 06:31:39 PM »
how :?: