You both bring up good points. My plan was to weld a 1/4" plate between the front frame rails and then mount them to it. They are pretty beefy at 10 pounds each and they use a 1" pin. I've never been on an organized trail rider so I'll have to rethink the pin retained clevis thing. I didn't know that that's how they did things. Well, I have them so maybe I'll save them for something else. Maybe I will go with the euro spec kind.