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Jeep_Lust

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Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« on: February 26, 2008, 05:07:56 PM »
I'm starting this as a new thread because the subject line might catch someone's attention who would miss it if I tagged it onto the old thread.

Hesco does make a kit to move the Crank Position Sensor from the flywheel to the harmonic balancer for the 2.5. It only fits the serpentine belt balancers, but I think that the serpentine drive accessories will swap onto an older engine. (I'll find out soon...)

It must be a new part, as it's not listed on their website. It's $289, same as the 6 cyl. version. (But the 6 cyl. model will NOT fit the 4 cyl.) I'm waiting on the part # and will post it when I get it.

So my 700R4 conversion lives on. The serpentine drive swap doesn't bother me, as I was going to do that anyway to make it easier to mount the turbo....

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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 05:37:40 PM »
That's cool, thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 04:06:40 PM »
now why would you swap in the 700? Wouldnt it drain more power from little thats there?

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 04:15:34 PM »
That thing will be my next step if I blow up another modified flywheel.  If I didn't have to worry about the CPS I could use the stock 2.5L Renix AW4 flexplate.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 09:31:43 PM »
What is the modified flywheel for? Dont get me wrong i think it would be nice to have the 700 for the gearing and overdrive, but still, wont it pull a lot more power from the motor to turn it?

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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 04:24:32 AM »
What is the modified flywheel for? Dont get me wrong i think it would be nice to have the 700 for the gearing and overdrive, but still, wont it pull a lot more power from the motor to turn it?

In my case it's to run an AW4 behind a 94 2.5L.   Havn't noticed a power drain, works fine on highway and trail so far.
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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 10:06:43 PM »
oh so u already have it on there? How does it compare to the torque flight? I think I might erally look into this now, Thanks.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008, 08:24:16 AM »
now why would you swap in the 700? Wouldnt it drain more power from little thats there?

In my case I need some kind of automatic because of a bad left leg. The 700R4 is one of the last non-electronic overdrive automatics, which will allow deep gearing for better low-end, while giving a decent cruise RPM. The 700R4 bolts directly to the 2.5 block, and will work well with a turbo installation (no letting off to shift.) If the turbo proves troublesome, GM sells a 3.4L V-6 crate motor that will bolt to the 700R4, and which is roughly the same weight as the 2.5 four banger.

The only real downside is the cost; I'll have 5 times what I paid for the Jeep in the conversion when it's all said and done (but then I only paid $400 for the Jeep). Nobody ever said that Jeeps were a cheap hobby!

Transmission $450
Rebulit converter $225
Constant Pressure Valve body $200
CPS Relocator $300
Custom Novak Flexplate $250
Transfer Case adaptor $425
Driveshaft mods $300
Shifter & Misc. bits $250

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2008, 11:37:13 AM »
Actually, it's been my experience with another small off-road vehicle (which shall remain nameless) that automatic trans versions actually have better acceleration and overall driveabilty than the manual trans version. There are several reasons for this:

1) Modern automatics (overdrive or not) that use lock-up torque converters can use a "looser" (higher stall speed) torque converter, since the stall speed is irrelavent once the TC is locked. The looser converter allows the engine to "jump" into it's powerband almost immediately.

2) As I pointed out in the earlier post, you don't need to let off of the throttle to shift. Since you need to shift twice with a 5 speed manual trans to get to 60 mph, and each shift will take at least one second, that's 2 seconds off of your 0-60 time with an automatic. (Any of you who are powershifting your AX-5s have transmissions that shift a helluva lot better than mine!) The full-throttle shifts are especially useful with a turbo, since the turbo stays spooled up; there's no blowoff pressure to slow down the turbine.

3) The torque multplication factor of the torque converter (typically 2:1 or better) gives you a REALLY low first gear. With the 700R4, the 3.06 first gear combined with the TC gives an effective ratio of 6.12!

While you might think of a 700R4 (usually associated with V-8 engines) as overkill for a 4 banger consider this: the version that fits the Jeep 2.5 was used behind a 120 HP, 2.8L engine in a 3200 lb. vehicle (80's Camaros and S-10s). The pumps on these transmissions (which are what makes automatics use more power than manuals) were sized for the smaller engine, and use less HP than their V-8 cousins. The clutches, drums and sprangs are the same as the V-8's though, which should make them damn near unbreakable behind the smaller engines.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2008, 11:06:53 PM »
Wow that is a lot of really good info! I was actually thinking about doin a build on mine and slappin a turbo on, too, so even better! I have quite a few questions, though: -work involved to swap into a 95
           -would it be better to swap in deeper gears with the trans swap because of the overdrive
           -what is your mpg before and after (hopefully went up a little)
           -Would you know anyone with a turbo on a 91-95, using megasquirt, that I could get the basemaps from
You know what, could you leave the link to the swap. That way you dont have to deal with my thousand questions. Thx

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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2008, 04:59:53 PM »
Wow that is a lot of really good info! I was actually thinking about doin a build on mine and slappin a turbo on, too, so even better! I have quite a few questions, though: -work involved to swap into a 95
           -would it be better to swap in deeper gears with the trans swap because of the overdrive
           -what is your mpg before and after (hopefully went up a little)
           -Would you know anyone with a turbo on a 91-95, using megasquirt, that I could get the basemaps from
You know what, could you leave the link to the swap. That way you dont have to deal with my thousand questions. Thx

Since the 700R4 has a .7 high gear, you'll need to gear down. Even with only 29" tires, you'd only be turning 2100 RPM @ 65 mph with 4.10s. I'm going to 4.88s to get the cruise RPM back in the powerband. Better acceleration off the line is an additional benefit.

I'm still assembling parts; the guy with the AW4 conversion might be able to answer the gas mileage question. I'm not expecting any improvement, as I'm regearing to get the RPM back up. I expect that it'll be about the same on the highway, and slightly worse around town, as the TC slips some when not locked up.

The downsides of using an automatic trans are:
Slightly worse MPG around town.
Shorter rear driveshaft. (Can cause problems if your Jeep is lifted).
The auto setup ends up about 70 lbs. heavier. (The trans is 100 lbs. heavier, but the flexplate is 30 lbs. lighter than a flywheel & clutch.)

Check out the Offical Turbo thread; there's a lot of info there.

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Re: Hesco has CPS relocating kit for 2.5
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2008, 05:17:34 PM »
the guy with the AW4 conversion might be able to answer the gas mileage question.

I'm still running 4.10's so I don't use 4th much yet.  No idea what mileage is,  mine is a lifted wrangler on 35's getting good mileage isn't a concern.  I've got a commuter car for that.
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