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enginethatcould

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odd sound from transmssion
« on: July 05, 2008, 05:15:44 PM »
Alright....I got some new front OME springs in Thursday.....and they ride great! I put in a set of 2" shackles I had sitting around. Let me say it was more work than I figured it to be. I have a severe angle on my TR/DL. The bump steer is a bit retarded. I plan on putting a drop pitman arm to fix that. Now the other problem is puzzling. When I'm driving it sound fine, when I get to around 30 mph and I let of the gas and push the clutch in it sounds like there is a bearing rolling around in the transmission. When I push the clutch in the noise is still there but it sounds like the "bearing" is rolling slower. I press the gas and I can't hear it in more. What do you think this could be??? :confused: I'm stumped, the only thing I can think of is to lower t-case. Thanks in advance for the input.

Clem

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2008, 05:48:44 PM »
Do you have an SYE?

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2008, 05:53:40 PM »
Do you have an SYE?

No. I picked up a NV3550 (which is my next project) and I'm getting ready to buy a d300.

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2008, 08:49:37 PM »
It is typical that after a lift that a u-joint doesn't like the new angle. I would start there. It is cheapest. When I had the AX-5 in my jeep, I could feel the shifter get a certain vibration in it when a u-joint was starting to go... Keep us posted as to what you find.

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2008, 09:08:56 PM »
It is typical that after a lift that a u-joint doesn't like the new angle. I would start there. It is cheapest. When I had the AX-5 in my jeep, I could feel the shifter get a certain vibration in it when a u-joint was starting to go... Keep us posted as to what you find.

Thanks for the advice Clem! I didn't think I would have a problem becuase it was just two inches. I'll probably change the u-joint tomorrow. If that doesn't solve it i may just munufacture a t-case drop. Do you know how tall the spacers typically are? Also what is your opinion on a front track bar? Should I reconnect it? :puzzled:

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2008, 09:55:20 PM »
I agree, it's probably your U-joint, more precisely the upper one.  They greasing it first and see if it goes away.
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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 05:54:27 AM »
I am not offering a course of action on a track bar or sway bars... I will say that mine are long gone. Most of the t-case drops are 1 inch. They are an easy thing to make. I did a set of "new" springs and a 5/8" shackle lift at the same time. The next weekend, I was doing a u-joint. The u-joints that always gave me fits were the rear on at the pinion.

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2008, 05:55:45 AM »
Also, let us know how the NV-3550 swap goes.

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2008, 11:21:29 AM »
I just got back from autozone and I learned that there are two different size "rear u-joints" for my jeep. Is one for the transmission side of the shaft and one for the pinion side?


Also, let us know how the NV-3550 swap goes.

Will do. I'm trying to talk then wife into "I need this..." D300. I think I just about got her  :clap: I think. I'm waiting on my government stimulas and of course I'm the last to get it. I was thinking of doing a write-up but wasn't sure b/c of others having done one. But if anyone would like I will do one.

Clem

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2008, 02:13:10 PM »
Yes. There are two different sizes. Find out which one it is. Grab the drive shaft. Shake the drive shaft. Observe any play in the yokes. Leave the jeep in gear and be safe doing this.

I don't think you are the first to do the swap. I am doing an NP-435 and a bronco Dana 20. I will say that to tell you that a full blown right up would be great. I have not seen a full blown write up yet. Why the 300? I know it can be flipped, but why?

Don't feel bad about the stimulus, we are in the last group too...

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2008, 04:59:50 PM »
I would like to do a full write-up for those (like myself) that need a little more in depth instruction. As for as the 300, I really like the idea of "twin sticks." Other than that I'm not sure. I'm open to other suggestions just never really got any. I want something that will be very easy to do, and my wife would like something that is very cheap. So...why not the 300? What would you do in this situation? 

Clem

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2008, 09:46:11 PM »
This is where I get long winded...    :sleep:


I went with a 1972 Bronco Dana 20. I already had swapped a Dana 44 under the front of my YJ, and I didn't want to go through that again. There is no need to flip the Dana 20. It is driver's side drop. You can use the 32 spline output from Wild Horses and plug in your factory vehicle speed sensor with a speedo gear change. The Dana 20 is cheap (found them for around $600 rebuilt), easy to find, easy to twin stick, and easy to rebuild. I have right at $500 in mine including the cost of the case. The other thing is that the 300's are a very popular case. That means more $$$. The Dana 20 has the same weakness that the 300 has in its output shaft. If you were running a healthy V-8, I would say 300, but... I rebuilt mine in the garage. If you are even semi-mechanically inclined, you can rebuild it.  :nod:

Here are the cons of the Dana 20... The case after 1973 are something around a 2:1 low range. Not what you want. A 1972 and earlier have the better factory low range of 2.43:1 You have to find an early bronco Dana 20. The jeep ones are passenger side drop and have the goofy "Texas" shaped bolt pattern on the front of them that bolts it to the adapter between the tranny and the t-case. An after market gear set that can only drop your low range to 3.15:1 is available, but not cheap. If you are into crawling, you will need a better low range than the 4:1 first gear that the 3550 offers. This is why I chose the NP-435. It has a 6.69:1 first gear. It is only a four speed. That is viewed as a detriment by some and a bonus by others.  :whistle:

Now, this is where it gets expensive for you if you crawl... Another option that is very small, and effective would be to put a Klune V in between your 3550 and use it as your adapter between the tranny and the t-case. It would give you the first gear of 4:1, another reduction of 4:1 at the Klune, and the stock low range of the Dana 20. This arrangement is shorter than the stock NP 231 WITH an SYE.  :lol:

A separate bonus for you on this swap is that the Bronco guys are doing it. The 3550/Dana 20 adapters are readily available.

You will have to determine what style of wheeling suites you. If you haven't, go wheel the snot out of it and find what works for you. Hang out and wheel with other jeepers. Find out what the local folks are doing in your area that works for the local terrain. I would read as much as you can on line from technical sites. This is not a bad knowledge based site because we all have the same 4 banger and understand. A lot of BS bulletin boards will tell you to ditch the 4 banger and give you the big fish stories. I would start with this site:

http://novak-adapt.com/

Check their technical library. These guys have their stuff together.

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 08:27:22 AM »
What year is your jeep?  some used a 1310 ujoint on each end of the rear driveshaft, and newer YJ's switched to a 1350 at the pinion.

Are the shackles the only lift you're running?

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 08:41:12 AM »
What year is your jeep?  some used a 1310 ujoint on each end of the rear driveshaft, and newer YJ's switched to a 1350 at the pinion.

Are the shackles the only lift you're running?

It's a 1993. I'm also running a 2" BL. I pulled it this morning and it looks like the driveshaft has a different size on each end.

enginethatcould

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Re: odd sound from transmssion
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2008, 11:37:40 AM »
Changed both U Joints and still have the same noise. It has quieted down some. I think I'm going to just fab some spacers and lower the t-case. I'll Let you guys know how it goes.