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Adjustable fuel regulators
« on: November 10, 2009, 05:21:41 PM »
 How about a crash course about them. Lets start by pretending I know nothing about them. :lol:
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 08:21:45 PM »
Hesco sells them advertised for the '91-'95, often considered one for my 2.5L.  I used to have a site bookmarked where a guy made his own and marketed them, requiring a core charge.  Makes me wonder if I could make my own.  I need to take one apart and discuss with my machinist.

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 09:41:47 PM »
Hesco sells them advertised for the '91-'95, often considered one for my 2.5L.  I used to have a site bookmarked where a guy made his own and marketed them, requiring a core charge.  Makes me wonder if I could make my own.  I need to take one apart and discuss with my machinist.

you can make your own out of a stock one - I had a guy back in the day (about 15 years ago) that would make bmw FPRs out of the stock ones, he was cutting them on a lathe (the top part where the vac port goes) and made a housing for them out of aluminum and relocate the vac port on the side and had a screw in the center with a plate inside to adjust the spring pressure. Of course there was also the cheap and dirty way of pressing the top of the housing inwards, but you can only go higher pressure, can't really bring it back out.
I think the way you could make one for Jeep is to create a thread on the outside of the housing and make a matching housing to go on top (if they are thick enough)- not sure how the brace would go over that but i'm sure you can come up with something.

i use a mallory performance one for the Jeep but they're not cheap, they do look nice and work well. There are some cheap alternatives on ebay, for testing i believe they're ok but i'm not sure in the long run if you want to rely on something that is not high quality and risk of not being able to get back to base camp or home - but you can always carry the stock as a spare for emergencies.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 09:51:00 PM »
At what point in building up your motor would one of these become necessary?  Like I have the PD kit, 4.0 throttle body, the 19lb injectors, and cat back exhaust.  Would this be something that I would notice a difference with or would be beneficial to me

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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 11:04:39 PM »
I've seen a picture where someone threaded the barb that comes off the center of the
regulator where the current vac line connects and put a machine screw in then added a
new hole on the side tapped it and put a new barb for the vacum line there...
It only allows increasing the pressure as I recall. I decided to fiddle elsewhere first.

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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 10:10:34 AM »
At what point in building up your motor would one of these become necessary?  Like I have the PD kit, 4.0 throttle body, the 19lb injectors, and cat back exhaust.  Would this be something that I would notice a difference with or would be beneficial to me

you can give it a bit more gas for open loop (same as with larger injectors) so your max power will increase a bit. For close loop won't make a difference as the PCM will readjust. It can also be used to reduce the pressure if you got injectors that are too big.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 11:25:16 AM »
you can give it a bit more gas for open loop (same as with larger injectors) so your max power will increase a bit. For close loop won't make a difference as the PCM will readjust. It can also be used to reduce the pressure if you got injectors that are too big.
How easy is it to tune with the Adj. FPR?
Where is it on the Jeep?
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 12:06:10 PM »
How easy is it to tune with the Adj. FPR?
Where is it on the Jeep?

if you use a hesco it goes in where the stock one is installed. if you have a generic one (the route i took) then you need to somehow replace the stock one - what i did was to use a stock FPR and plug the return port (threaded and put a screw in with teflon tape on it) and then use the schraeder valve to connect to the new FPR - hesco makes a plug disc as well, i had a spare stock FPR so that didn't cost anything. I'll post some pics of these 2 when i have some time to take them - it's pretty straight forward and would work with any generic adjustable  FPR that has a high pressure port, a return port and a vac port (you want that as that's the way the stock one is).

On my Mallory as well as most of the generic ones on ebay there's a gauge port on which you can have a gauge to see the pressure - easiest way to tune it is to start the engine, let it idle, unplug the vac port and adjust the pressure and monitor the gauge - stock pressure uncorrected by vacuum is 39 psi. Sometimes the gauge is off so first thing i would do is to verify what the stock pressure shows at on the gauge - for that you can connect the new FPR to the schraeder valve and have the adjusting screw in quite a bit to prevent the fuel come out on the return port of the new FPR - you still have your stock one installed - let the engine idle and take note of the pressure that is displayed - can be 38psi for example which means that is your starting point. From there remove the stock FPR, install the blocking one or the blocking disk and put the contact a few times to build pressure in the rail - adjust the screw until you are close to what the stock pressure was. Start the engine and let it idle (you can also jump the Fuel Pump relay) and with the vac port unplugged set your target pressure - let's say you are targeting your injector static flow to 18.5lb/hr, that is an increase of 1.1lb/hr compared to the stock flow - you need 5psi more final pressure so your gauge should show 44psi (or in case it's off like in the example above 43 psi). Put the vac port back and take it for a test drive (try to hit wot and get a feel for it, best if you do a run with the stock pressure before the change so you can compare) - you can go lower or higher and compare the runs, i was up in the 49s or 50s at some point when in boost but that was corrected by the boost pressure thru the vac and i think that would be too much. For 18lb/hr static flow compared to 17.4lb/hr stock you need an increase of 3psi in the fuel rail and i would say that's the best place to start and then go up or down from there.

Best case scenario is to have some logging capabilites to monitor your AFR via a wideband o2 but if your Jeep is not smoking black and your spark plugs keep their nice color you're good. Of course there's a downside with the mpg, but if you drive it normally in closed loop (you don't hit wot too often and accelerate mildly) there shouldn't be any penalty on that once the PCM relearns the trims. I'll try and post some pics of the adjustable FPR and modified stock one with the plug when i get a chance.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 12:23:30 PM »
How easy is it to tune with the Adj. FPR?
Where is it on the Jeep?
It's on the fuel rail at the front.  It had a vacuum port on it.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 01:39:24 PM »
Youll find some 2.5's with a pulse damper instead of the regulator on the fuel rail.
Looks the same but no vacuum connection. Those have a reg down on/by the pump.
I have yet to figure out how and when jeep moved this around.... I've found this on
94 and 95 YJ and a lot of 96 and up Cherokees.

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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 01:49:00 PM »
Youll find some 2.5's with a pulse damper instead of the regulator on the fuel rail.
Looks the same but no vacuum connection. Those have a reg down on/by the pump.
I have yet to figure out how and when jeep moved this around.... I've found this on
94 and 95 YJ and a lot of 96 and up Cherokees.

Dave

my 95 YJ 2.5 has a return type on the fuel rail - same is shown in the FSM for 94/95 XJ and YJ 4.0 and 2.5 engines (the one on this site). I believe TJs came with the regulator in the fuel tank but those run at 49psi, so i believe that 96 was the changeover, but like the brakes on late 95 YJs maybe there was a transition model or something.

EDIT: never had my hands on a TJ FPR so i assume they are in the tank since there is no return line, just to clarify in case it's outside the tank somewhere.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 01:52:13 PM »
My theory is they were doing lines of coke off the toolboxes on the assembly line.... ::)

Just like my weird distributor in my 94, I have to ask for a 92 to get the right cap and rotor...

Dave


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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 04:24:50 PM »
EDIT: never had my hands on a TJ FPR so i assume they are in the tank since there is no return line, just to clarify in case it's outside the tank somewhere.
They sit on the tank like most of the newer Jeeps.  The change-over happened in 1996 in the wranglers.  Generally XJ's and ZJ's see changed a few years prior to the Wranglers.
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 06:07:26 PM »
What pressure are the 4.0's set at? Will these bolt on the 2.5?
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Re: Adjustable fuel regulators
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 06:26:50 PM »
What pressure are the 4.0's set at? Will these bolt on the 2.5?
same pressure as the 2.5L (39psi) and they are the same as the 4 banger ones (they will bolt on).
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