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Offline TahoeYJ

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Line Lock install question...
« on: May 15, 2010, 12:09:31 PM »
Finally got around to getting a line lock for my rig, putting my rig in 4LO when parked on steep inclines has gotten rather old  :stick: lol

I've been thinking of the best way to hook it up, and I'd prefer not to cut in to the hard line to install it (For the record, I'm hooking it up to the rear.) Could I just purchase some braided stainless lines to go from the prop. valve, to the LL and hook it back in to the hard line. This shouldn't be a problem as long as I get the correct a/n fittings right?  :confused:

I believe we've got a flaring tool though as we're always bending/making our own hard lines for the sprint car... So if I were to cut the hard line and flare new fitting on to either end and hook it up that way, that'd be OK as well right?
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2010, 12:32:56 PM »
Finally got around to getting a line lock for my rig, putting my rig in 4LO when parked on steep inclines has gotten rather old  :stick: lol

I've been thinking of the best way to hook it up, and I'd prefer not to cut in to the hard line to install it (For the record, I'm hooking it up to the rear.) Could I just purchase some braided stainless lines to go from the prop. valve, to the LL and hook it back in to the hard line. This shouldn't be a problem as long as I get the correct a/n fittings right?  :confused:

I believe we've got a flaring tool though as we're always bending/making our own hard lines for the sprint car... So if I were to cut the hard line and flare new fitting on to either end and hook it up that way, that'd be OK as well right?

just guessing by what you said about parking it in 4lo that you are you trying to use this as a parking brake? not safe by any means.
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2010, 01:58:05 PM »
As long as you double flare the steel lines there is no problem with it what so ever.
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 02:28:58 PM »
I wouldn't trust a line lock for a parking brake.  They aren't designed to hold pressure for extended periods of time.
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 09:20:32 AM »
I wouldn't trust a line lock for a parking brake.  They aren't designed to hold pressure for extended periods of time.


also e-brake is design as a last ditch attempt at stopping your vehicle if the hydraulics part fails and is the reason it's mechanical

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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 09:47:42 AM »
also e-brake is design as a last ditch attempt at stopping your vehicle if the hydraulics part fails and is the reason it's mechanical

To be honest, I have found the stock eBrake on the YJ to be fairly useless in these situations; the placement of the pedal (at least to me, as I am 6'5") does not allow me to step on the pedal without having to open the door.  Remember that I (about 2 months ago) had an accident where the rod that connects the brake pedal to the booster broke and had no brakes at all, and had to stop using engine, gravity (a small hill) and then, after being able to think a bit what to do, eBrake.  Even though my first reaction was to go to the eBrake, I could not reach it quickly enough to get out of the situation, so I had to go to plan B...  I would much rather have the Euro style hand brake (which is also much more useful to use while driving!), as it would not have this type of problem (I think TJ's have this type, right?).

Having said that, I would till not trust a line lock as an eBrake...
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 11:59:18 AM »
here's the problem the way i see it:

when you brake, you exercise force to the brake pedal and during the braking process the force to the pedal is there (the whole time) and transforms into pressure inside the braking circuit

with the line lock, basically you block the line so the pressure is held within the braking lines, hoses, calipers etc.

since liquids are incompressible any loss no matter how small will result in significant loss of pressure. Also, temperature changes that would result in dilatation of lines/calipers would also result in pressure loss and since there is no accumulator for the pressure or like during braking an external force to the pedal and in turn to the master cylinder to compensate for any of these the braking force at the wheel will drop and you're off to the races.

In case of a gas a minor loss won't be as significant like in an air compressor tank for example where if you have a minor leak the pressure will not drop abruptly but slowly in time, in the case of the brake fluid the drop in pressure would be instant and the only place that is still held/accumulated is in the mechanical deformation of the lines, calipers brake pads/shoes and hoses.

I also think (if i remember correctly) that there is a warning on all line locks to not be used as a parking brake
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2010, 12:48:44 PM »
To be honest, I have found the stock eBrake on the YJ to be fairly useless in these situations; the placement of the pedal (at least to me, as I am 6'5") does not allow me to step on the pedal without having to open the door.  Remember that I (about 2 months ago) had an accident where the rod that connects the brake pedal to the booster broke and had no brakes at all, and had to stop using engine, gravity (a small hill) and then, after being able to think a bit what to do, eBrake.  Even though my first reaction was to go to the eBrake, I could not reach it quickly enough to get out of the situation, so I had to go to plan B...  I would much rather have the Euro style hand brake (which is also much more useful to use while driving!), as it would not have this type of problem (I think TJ's have this type, right?).

Having said that, I would till not trust a line lock as an eBrake...

what? I don't get why you have to open your door to step on the e-brake?  mine works great "keep your rear shoes adjusted"  I'm 5'9" but majority of my height is legs and have to position the seat to the extreme rear. so I don't under stand. the e-brake isn't far off from the clutch/brake/ gas peddles in a YJ like mine.

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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2010, 01:44:31 PM »
what? I don't get why you have to open your door to step on the e-brake?  mine works great "keep your rear shoes adjusted"  I'm 5'9" but majority of my height is legs and have to position the seat to the extreme rear. so I don't under stand. the e-brake isn't far off from the clutch/brake/ gas peddles in a YJ like mine.

The steering wheel gets in the way (my knees)...  The brake is higher up than the clutch.
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2010, 01:56:25 PM »
The steering wheel gets in the way (my knees)...  The brake is higher up than the clutch.

find a tilt steer column

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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 01:59:37 PM »
find a tilt steer column

Easier said than done; remember I now live in Costa Rica, and there are not that many Jeeps here.  And if you DO find one, it is ussually an arm and a leg to buy it!
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2010, 02:20:49 PM »
I've talked to a handful of folks who have used line locks without issues  :confused: I can understand all the worries about loss of pressure, etc especially when it's trying to keep a set of 35" meats from rolling. After seeing everyone's responses I looked up the e-brake set-up the company I got my disc brakes from has available and it runs about $200, so I guess I'll have to look in to getting one. I'll have to call him some time this week. Since I already have the line lock though I assume I might as well install it anyway, not necessarily as an e-brake at this point but just to have as it could come in handy on the trail some day?

And FWIW I called and asked my dad and he has a small hard line tubing bender as well as a double flaring tool, so when I do get around to installing it (Like I said, I've got it so I might as well, right?) I'll get him to help me with that. I think braided lines would probably run me quite a bit more...
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 02:26:52 PM »
I've talked to a handful of folks who have used line locks without issues  :confused:

for a short period of time like on the trail when you need to start rolling on a ramp or for whatever other scenario is fine, that's what is purposed for, to park overnight for example would be a concern.
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Re: Line Lock install question...
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 02:52:43 PM »
The steering wheel gets in the way (my knees)...  The brake is higher up than the clutch.
I would consider swapping it out for a pull and twist style like what Toyotas have.
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