Topic: Jeep clip on youtube i found

[stan98tj]

couldnt decide if this was the best place to post this..whatever, it's jeep related and all. now, onto the point of my post.
came across this video on youtube and after watching it and i just wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one who had at least 3 thoughts when it was over:
1. If that angle isnt working, take it head on or change your approach
2. Driver...maybe you would like to give it a bit more power?
3. if 4hi isnt getting it done, perhaps 4low?
Now, im not one to think my Jeep is the greatest rig around especially given the company provided by this forum (Art, Mozman, JJ to name a few of the many) but im pretty sure my little 4 banger would own that hill. I cant see myself sitting at the mouth of a trail and my buddy in a Discovery behind me and saying....well i guess im not going wheeling today, i just cant make it from the street to the trail over this curb and hill....
oops..almost forgot here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLBg4-dI05A&feature=related

[Jeffy]

1. It's a good way to get stuck on the transfer case skid.
2. What he needed to do is to try to applying the e-brake or even the regular brakes.  If you apply it just enough to stop the free side from spinning he may have been able to climb it.
3. He would be going too slow and would still end up not getting any further.

Also, keep in mind how much the Disco had to work to get up the to point the Jeep was at.  Once the tires lost traction the traction control kicks it and basically give you lockers by applying the brakes on the free spinning side.  This is one of the advantages of having 4-wheel ABS with traction control.

[sharpxmen]

driver problem - he was getting stuck with front right and rear left in the air and with no lockers would spin those wheels - needs to look for grip (different angle).

[stan98tj]

1. It's a good way to get stuck on the transfer case skid.
2. What he needed to do is to try to applying the e-brake or even the regular brakes.  If you apply it just enough to stop the free side from spinning he may have been able to climb it.
3. He would be going too slow and would still end up not getting any further.

Also, keep in mind how much the Disco had to work to get up the to point the Jeep was at.  Once the tires lost traction the traction control kicks it and basically give you lockers by applying the brakes on the free spinning side.  This is one of the advantages of having 4-wheel ABS with traction control.

I dunno, still looks like a pretty harmless incline. im almost quite certain he could make it if he just came at it from where the guy in the brown shirt is standing. In fact, im pretty certain ive made it over steeper grades. I recently had a situation on a large rock like this where the back wheel spun free and a locker would have helped...i backed off and came at it from a different approach...which bested the results my buddy's lifted RamCharger earned a few days earlier. Then again maybe it is harder then it looks, i still think he could have made it though....

[chardrc]

he needed to take a more straight on approach, would have gone right up and over it, just need to be careful to not become a beached whale.. the angle he took made him put 2 wheels in the air which is a no-no for open diffed vehicles. reminds me of when i first got my jeep runnign and played around with some similar terrain at work, open diffs makes things more challenging but just have to pick the correct line and use proper amount of momentum...

[stan98tj]

he needed to take a more straight on approach, would have gone right up and over it, just need to be careful to not become a beached whale.. the angle he took made him put 2 wheels in the air which is a no-no for open diffed vehicles. reminds me of when i first got my jeep runnign and played around with some similar terrain at work, open diffs makes things more challenging but just have to pick the correct line and use proper amount of momentum...

def agree with that. unless there was a reason that we cant see from this angle that prevented a straight forward climb-that would be the best route up. with 32s and stock suspension, his t-case skid is still tucked under and not dropped, so that betters his chances of clearing and not dragging belly and getting beached.

[Torch_Ind]

1. It's a good way to get stuck on the transfer case skid.
2. What he needed to do is to try to applying the e-brake or even the regular brakes.  If you apply it just enough to stop the free side from spinning he may have been able to climb it.
3. He would be going too slow and would still end up not getting any further.

Also, keep in mind how much the Disco had to work to get up the to point the Jeep was at.  Once the tires lost traction the traction control kicks it and basically give you lockers by applying the brakes on the free spinning side.  This is one of the advantages of having 4-wheel ABS with traction control.

+1

but I wouldn't trade a mechanical locker for abs traction control!!

[jfrabat]

Even a cheap lunchbox locker would have gotten him through...  That was not a tough climb if he would have though it through (although I agree that taking it staright on was probably not the best option).

[FourbangerYJ]

I think it's more of a open diffs VS. traction aids. Not which line was better. It's hard to see if the crossmember was hitting or not.

[stan98tj]

Even a cheap lunchbox locker would have gotten him through...  That was not a tough climb if he would have though it through (although I agree that taking it staright on was probably not the best option).

the bump/hill/incline that leads onto the trail doesnt seem too high. Further, he has 32s-so increased clearance, and his t-case hasnt been dropped. i just cant see him bottoming out on that. then again, videos like these turn everyone into the Michael Schumacher of the trails with "oh i would do this or that.." but still, im not really convinced he couldnt make it up...he probably works for land rover lol

[aka-justin]

I saw myself struggling there.    (Figuratively)

I bet if he aired down a bit that it might have helped and I agree with Jeffy on the e-brake.  Watched my friend crawling over rocks with open diffs in his 88 cherokee just by using his e-brake.   (reverse, forward, reverse, then he had enough friction on his back drums to just about lock-em)

I don't see how that's supposed to be comparative.  Apples to oranges if you ask me.  If they were going open diff on the jeep, should have been open on the land rover without any traction system either.  It's look showing off how fast your sports car is against a family sedan.

[Mozman68]

The Jeep will outperform that Land Rover on 9 out of 10 obstacles. 

It's amazing what a longer wheelbase or wider track will give you on certain obstacles...and that seems to be the case here.  Bad line and too short of a wheel base...I would be hesitant at first as well, but he simply could have gunned it a little more and momentum would have gotten him over.  A little intimidating when your rig is rocking like that though.

[neale_rs]

It looks like a 2wd pickup could make it through, just a little more head on and give it more gas while the rear tires are still on the pavement.  His first approach looked the best, just a bit more gas and he would have made it. 

[Jeffy]

the bump/hill/incline that leads onto the trail doesnt seem too high. Further, he has 32s-so increased clearance, and his t-case hasnt been dropped. i just cant see him bottoming out on that. then again, videos like these turn everyone into the Michael Schumacher of the trails with "oh i would do this or that.." but still, im not really convinced he couldnt make it up...he probably works for land rover lol

Doesn't matter how much lift or how big his tires are if they're not touching the ground.  He's got it where it's balancing between two tires on opposite sides.  That's the problem with open-differentials.  When one side is in the air all the power goes to that side.

Applying the brakes will help slow that tire down and transfer some power to the other side.  If he tried that he might have been able to climb it.  Traction-Control on the Discovery basically acts like a locker.

Yes, the Jeep could have taken a straighter line.  Not to mention he could have used more speed but that wasn't the point of the video.

[stan98tj]

The Jeep will outperform that Land Rover on 9 out of 10 obstacles. 

It's amazing what a longer wheelbase or wider track will give you on certain obstacles...and that seems to be the case here.  Bad line and too short of a wheel base...I would be hesitant at first as well, but he simply could have gunned it a little more and momentum would have gotten him over.  A little intimidating when your rig is rocking like that though.

LRs (esp well equiped ones) can certainly keep up with jeeps and many can certainly give us a run for our money. Most LR owners find that a mere tire upgrade/change is more than enough to obtain good results on the trail. In this video what i have to say is, you do the best with what you have. Dont have lockers? change your approach. Even if this was supposed to show traction control vs open diff, it should have at least shown the jeep makin it up there. Just because he couldnt take it on that line (though i believe a little power would have gone a long way) doesnt mean it couldnt do it on a more favorable angle.