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chitchc2

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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2011, 04:10:53 PM »
Maybe, I'm sure somebody in a lab somewhere knows for sure. We need to remember we aren't talking big numbers here eitherway. It's definitely a matter of having all the little things right so you get a noticeable result. Some of our members have highly modified rigs and undoubtedly will have a different experience than those that have a more "stock" setup. Based on what I have seen the upgraded ignition system is a good purchase even if it did nothing more than provide more reliable performance.


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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2011, 05:20:13 PM »
don't know if the split prong, i was thinking more of the ones with 3 prongs on the body side (at the thread side) and not the electrode side - I'm thinking that if the distance is just normal might force 2 or maybe 3 sparks but i'm not sure.
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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2011, 06:44:41 PM »
Bosch Platinum Fusion


something like that, the other ones i've seen were surrounding the electrode and they weren't platinum

how do you set the gap on these anyway (i guess you don't)
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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2011, 06:56:16 PM »
I have never liked those style plugs

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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2011, 05:32:41 PM »
An update, I installed the firepower kit today on my 2000 Jeep TJ 2.5.
i did need the wiring harness, so ones ordering for their 2000 TJs dont forget to order that separate part.

Jeep runs way smoother than before, i will take it for a longer ride on monday and will post again.


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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2013, 10:10:10 AM »
I am about to order this kit for my 2001 TJ 2.5. Just to confirm, it looks like I need the kit plus the adapter harness. I think the price has gone up a bit but having seen one of these kits in person, they are very well made. I am going to order the jeep FirePower site and it looks like it will be just over 200 $. Just wanted to confirm in advance but I will call them Monday.

Any other results from your install Karan? (if you are still around- old thread btw)

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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2013, 03:27:17 PM »
I probably have the oldest 'kit' ever made since I helped R&D it.  Just make sure to gap your plugs to .065".  Also be careful when/if you pull the wires.  The clip can pull off the wire and it's a PITA to crimp it back. BTDT

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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2013, 02:47:59 PM »
I have run their ignitions in my Jeep.  Now, my Jeep had other issues (can't say Firepower was the cause), but their coils did seem to burn faster than the cheap coils...  But, as I said, when I did burn them, the Jeep had other issues that were causing all kinds of problems in the ignition from the ECU (bad set of sensors, fuel pump, etc.)
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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2013, 04:36:41 PM »
I probably have the oldest 'kit' ever made since I helped R&D it.  Just make sure to gap your plugs to .065".  Also be careful when/if you pull the wires.  The clip can pull off the wire and it's a PITA to crimp it back. BTDT

TJ's need the adapter.

thanks- i will use plenty of dielectric grease for extra insurance!

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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2014, 11:37:31 AM »
On the gap...

Grimes is doing the head work on my engine this week (see Chad's TJ in projects for more information) and I asked about the spark gap and what I got in return was a sinister grin.
My interpretation of the dialogue that followed is this:

1) if it sparks it works
2) if it doesn't spark it doesn't work
3) spark plugs don't add power
4) upgraded ignition system with the same gap as a non-upgraded ignition system will generate a "hotter spark" but a "hotter spark" does not mean more power
5) shorter gap is "easier" to jump than a larger gap so an upgraded ignition system "maybe" more resistant to failures related to lack of spark

In the end I summarized that I had not wasted my money on the ignition system because it is in theory more reliable but that the only way it was going to add power would be if the old system wasn't actually working properly. I still didn't understand what his recommendation on gap really was but I gathered he didn't think it really mattered as long as we were getting spark.

I completely agree.

If the stock system is inadequate, the engine wont run smooth, especially at lower RPM's due to erratic igintion.  Running a more powerful coil that sends more energy to the spark plug will often make an engine run better by igniting more consistently.

The spark plug starts the burn, and the flame front spreads through the combustion chamber.  Running a hotter spark and larger gap will only ensure there is no misfire, but does nothing to speed up the flame front (which is where the power is made).

The only ignition systems I have seen that actually make a difference in power are the multi-spark-discharge (msd)type.  And if you do the research, you will see that these only do msd below 3k rpm.  Above 3k, it doesnt seem to make a difference.  I dont really have an explanation as to why they make more power.

Engines that run two plugs per cylinder will loose power when one plug is pulled, because you have now cut off one flame front and it is taking the mixture twice as long to burn across the combustion chamber.

As far as plugs go, the platinum and iridium ones are more durable.  Try to run standard plugs with a high power coil and you will see the spark eat the electrodes on the plug over a few thousand miles.  The platinum and iridium ones prevent this from happening.

I currently run a Summit digital ignition on my 2.5 (MSD below 3k rpm and adjustable rev limiter).  I found no noticeable power difference between this one and the stock Ford DUI that was on there.  My main reason for this ignition was to have an adjustable rev limiter, and I was hoping it would make more power and better fuel mileage.

Food for thought:  some of the highest power-per-displacement production engines on the planet, motorcycle engines, also run some of the weakest coils and no msd.
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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2014, 09:01:17 PM »
MSD is basically a CDI ignition, I think the extra tic of power from the MSD comes from the longer sparc duration it generates past 3400 RPM, on the other hand the 6AL does not seem to be very durable. I've had many of them fail at the race track. (SCCA road racing.) They have discontinued it for a digital version that I haven't played with much.

I had a 69 911 that had a Porsche CDI with a Marelli distributor, that baby would light your ancestors up if you got a hold of it by accident..
ON race motors, the higher your compression ratio, the smaller the gap needs to be for reliable ignition. (Talking > 13:1)

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Re: Urgent Help @firepower Ignition kit
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2014, 10:37:02 AM »
Clarification:
when I was referencing MSD, I was referencing a multi-spark-discharge ignition, not the brand.  My Summit box is a digital ignition box that controls the spark output signal to the coil (in my case, an MSD Blaster coil).

And yes, compression ratio effects the resistance in the spark gap.  When the air is more dense, the gap resistance goes up.  Too much gap distance and too much compression and the spark plug will not spark if the spark energy (coil) is too weak.  Like you said, though, the compression ratio you have to reach to have a problem is way more than 99.9% of any Jeep 2.5 out there.

FWIW, I've never seen any advantage to running a gap over 0.040" on any engine I've owned.
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