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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: aka-justin on February 01, 2012, 11:34:04 PM
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I have a 4" Tera Flex Long Arm lift on my 03 Rubicon and the springs are sagging. I'm about 99% sure the shocks are all 4-6" lift rated and the rear drive shaft is a tom wood's. The only bad I see is the upper rear control arms are still stock or just non-adjustable. I'm thinking about getting the Rubicon Express coils next month, but wasn't sure if I should just get the 4.5" coils or squeeze the extra 1.5" in from what it was originally setup?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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5.5" is too much for a short-arm suspension to work properly, especially without a SYE and adj. UCA's. I'd stick with the shorter springs, and add a 1/2" spacer if they settle a little.
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The current trend is to keep it low. If the tires fit, it's probably better not to lift it too much more.
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5.5" is too much for a short-arm suspension to work properly, especially without a SYE and adj. UCA's. I'd stick with the shorter springs, and add a 1/2" spacer if they settle a little.
It has the NV241OR transfer case that has no slip yoke.
The current trend is to keep it low. If the tires fit, it's probably better not to lift it too much more.
Good point.
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Who even makes Rubicon Expresses stuff now? Now that they're owned by Transamerican Auto Parts, are they getting their made by McCoy Brothers who does their and many other lifts? Not a huge fan of Transamerican.
As for lift, I like shorter not because it's a new fad but because it gives you a better vehicle. but like BH said, 5.5" is too much for short arms. 4" is usually the limit and 3" is even better. But with a winch, bumpers and everything else, the springs will probably settle to 4".
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Who even makes Rubicon Expresses stuff now? Now that they're owned by Transamerican Auto Parts, are they getting their made by McCoy Brothers who does their and many other lifts? Not a huge fan of Transamerican.
At least suggest what you DO like... I've heard better than worse about R.E.
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At least suggest what you DO like... I've heard better than worse about R.E.
RE closed for a while and then got bought by Transamerican Auto parts late last year.
If all you're looking at doing is getting an extra inch or so, then why not add some cheap spacers to your current 4" lift? I always like ACOS adjustable spacers but they're kinda expensive. Although they do allow you to compensate for sag and even driveline torque which causes the driver rear to sag a bit more then the others.
Since your lift is Teraflex, why not stick with teraflex? The springs would have been designed for the suspension anyway. Not only are you dealing with lift but also spring rate. Which may or may not be the same.
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RE closed for a while and then got bought by Transamerican Auto parts late last year.
If all you're looking at doing is getting an extra inch or so, then why not add some cheap spacers to your current 4" lift? I always like ACOS adjustable spacers but they're kinda expensive. Although they do allow you to compensate for sag and even driveline torque which causes the driver rear to sag a bit more then the others.
Since your lift is Teraflex, why not stick with teraflex? The springs would have been designed for the suspension anyway. Not only are you dealing with lift but also spring rate. Which may or may not be the same.
The TeraFlex springs are sagging. I was hoping to get a little bit better spring. (And maybe squeeze a little more height.)
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The TeraFlex springs are sagging. I was hoping to get a little bit better spring. (And maybe squeeze a little more height.)
How bad are they? most spacers are 2" boost.
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How bad are they? most spacers are 2" boost.
The springs are sagging all different. Front right is .5", rear right was 1-1.5" prior to last Saturday's Ocotillo Wells trip. Now, the back end is bottoming out, I'd say at least 2" sag on both sides if not just weakened badly. I've also read a few people have issues with pre-mature sagging on TeraFlex, so I was hoping to replace them all. I'm thinking they're all about as old as my tires, which are 2003-2004. My other thought was Currie's springs, but they want another $100 per set (front or rear). Ultimately, I want some springs that are comfortable, but last and can hold up to the swing out rack. The R.E. seemed like a good middle ground and had a long history of good reviews. I wasn't aware of the sell off.
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If you want your new springs to last, make sure your bumpstops are extended properly to limit uptravel. Way too many TJ owners repeatedly over-compress their suspension and wear out their springs prematurely in the name of 'cool' articulation.
Droop is where the performance is at.
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If you want your new springs to last, make sure your bumpstops are extended properly to limit uptravel. Way too many TJ owners repeatedly over-compress their suspension and wear out their springs prematurely in the name of 'cool' articulation.
Droop is where the performance is at.
Good point. I have 2" rear bump stop spacers and 3" front bump stop spacers. I'll extend the rear to 3".
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Maybe go all out for some Deaver coils.
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The springs are sagging all different. Front right is .5", rear right was 1-1.5" prior to last Saturday's Ocotillo Wells trip. Now, the back end is bottoming out, I'd say at least 2" sag on both sides if not just weakened badly. I've also read a few people have issues with pre-mature sagging on TeraFlex, so I was hoping to replace them all. I'm thinking they're all about as old as my tires, which are 2003-2004. My other thought was Currie's springs, but they want another $100 per set (front or rear). Ultimately, I want some springs that are comfortable, but last and can hold up to the swing out rack. The R.E. seemed like a good middle ground and had a long history of good reviews. I wasn't aware of the sell off.
Having different levels of sag is normal. The rear driver side will sag the most typically by about .5". You could go with JKS ACOS adjustable spacers. These have a minimum of 2" IIRC and a max around 4". So you'll be able to dial in the suspension rather then hope for the best.
Limiting up travel would probably help. Many people want as much up travel as down but in reality, most of what you want is down travel. So having only 2-4" up isn't a big deal.
Deaver springs are going to be $$$. Abought $5-600 a pair. Although they will be custom and probably won't sag nearly as much as an off the shelf. The only springs I see on Deavers site are Jeepspeed and those are going to have a high spring rate which won't be good unless you're doing high speed stuff.
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Switch to leafs! :lol: :wall:
The Currie springs are nice for a off the shelf spring. Not sure on the other spring brands. How about BDS or Rockrawler?
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Switch to leafs! :lol: :wall:
The Currie springs are nice for a off the shelf spring. Not sure on the other spring brands. How about BDS or Rockrawler?
BDS gets their leafs from McCoy Brothers. BDS's founder was from Trail Master while also gets leafs from McCoy Brothers. As do most other mfg's that don't make their own leafs.
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what about coilovers? something like Art used on his big yeller project (i think his are King shocks), would involve some fabrication but they are adjustable.
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BDS gets their leafs from McCoy Brothers. BDS's founder was from Trail Master while also gets leafs from McCoy Brothers. As do most other mfg's that don't make their own leafs.
I meant coils but looks like I didn't mention that. :brick:
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I meant coils but looks like I didn't mention that. :brick:
They do all springs there. I shouldn't have said leafs. my bad. Not many suspension companies have their own foundry.
what about coilovers? something like Art used on his big yeller project (i think his are King shocks), would involve some fabrication but they are adjustable.
$$$$
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.$$$$
But so worth it
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$$$$
i thought they're like $500/piece (or maybe that's just for the shocks and then add the coils).
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I paid 1800 for 4 14" travel, 2" diam coilovers with springs and remote reservoirs.
Was well worth the money. For King coilovers Trent fab is the place to order them
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I'd love to go to leaf springs as my 95 yj was awesome with its budget procomp 4" lift leafs, but that's not going to happen.
Custom coils or coil over shocks would be another great option, but it not happening anytime soon.
So, after that input, I’m back to standard off the shelf coils. 95% of the time this thing will be going from home to work/school and back. The other is random outings. I really just want a set a coils that will handle a hard weekend occasionally. The TeraFlex I have are not fitting the bill and I know 90% of that is from their age.
My conclusion from everyone's awesome input:
Add another inch of bump stop ext (3") to the rear
Stick with 4" coils
Stay away from Transamerica/McCoy Bro coils
My budget for next month is $500-600. I'm going front and rear coils, coil pads, and hopefully new rear shocks. I put the Bilstein 5100 back on even though one is leaking, but the YJ ones I got from sharpmanx where almost non-existent from the YJ valving. Adjustable pads seem good for settling, but I'll wait and see how bad I need them after this upgrade.
After next year, once I get into a house, I'll be looking at getting a "long arm" lift with a tummy tuck skid and fox or king shocks. I'm thinking I'll be dropping $4-6k.
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It has the NV241OR transfer case that has no slip yoke.
Correction, it's the NV241J. I checked the tag.
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Correction, it's the NV241J. I checked the tag.
i think it's the same
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i think it's the same
Probably. I read that j stood for Jeep.
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Probably. I read that j stood for Jeep.
yeah, that's what it says on the core i got for the planetary gear (241 J) but everywhere i looked is referenced as 241OR
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I'd love to go to leaf springs as my 95 yj was awesome with its budget procomp 4" lift leafs, but that's not going to happen.
Custom coils or coil over shocks would be another great option, but it not happening anytime soon.
So, after that input, I’m back to standard off the shelf coils. 95% of the time this thing will be going from home to work/school and back. The other is random outings. I really just want a set a coils that will handle a hard weekend occasionally. The TeraFlex I have are not fitting the bill and I know 90% of that is from their age.
My conclusion from everyone's awesome input:
Add another inch of bump stop ext (3") to the rear
Stick with 4" coils
Stay away from Transamerica/McCoy Bro coils
My budget for next month is $500-600. I'm going front and rear coils, coil pads, and hopefully new rear shocks. I put the Bilstein 5100 back on even though one is leaking, but the YJ ones I got from sharpmanx where almost non-existent from the YJ valving. Adjustable pads seem good for settling, but I'll wait and see how bad I need them after this upgrade.
After next year, once I get into a house, I'll be looking at getting a "long arm" lift with a tummy tuck skid and fox or king shocks. I'm thinking I'll be dropping $4-6k.
BDS might be good regardless of the source since IIRC they have a lifetime replacement warranty. Pretty sure it applies to broken springs, not sure about just sagging.
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BDS might be good regardless of the source since IIRC they have a lifetime replacement warranty. Pretty sure it applies to broken springs, not sure about just sagging.
Actually most companies have lifetime warranties on their springs. Getting them to relace sagging springs really depends on how much sag they have. You also usually have to be the original owner with proof of purchase though.
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Ordered the 4" Currie coil springs Front and Rear and rear emulsion fox shox (to semi-match the front fox shox reservoirs) from eadoffroad.com. I also order 2 sets of coil pads. The new rear coils are HD, so know I'm debating extending the rear bump stops past the existing 2" extension until I feel how it rides and articulates. So far, I'm $664.79 deep. I know the bump stop extensions are $30 for 1.5" extensions, but I'm stupid and can't help being cheap. I'm already $64.79 over what I wanted to spend max.
http://www.eadoffroad.com/jeep/wrangler-tj/tj-suspension/tj-suspension-springs/currie-enterprises-ce-9130h-jeep-tj-lj-4-inch-lifted-coil-springs-4pc
http://www.eadoffroad.com/jeep/wrangler-tj/tj-suspension/tj-shocks/fox-980-02-271-a-jeep-tj-xj-zj-2.0-factory-series-rear-shock
http://www.oconeeoffroad.com/servlet/the-27527/Omix-dsh-ada-PAD-KIT,-BLK/Detail
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The emulsion shocks were 3 weeks out. $122 more I'm getting the bump stop extensions and the reservoir shocks - now they will match the front.
http://www.eadoffroad.com/jeep/wrangler-tj/tj-suspension/tj-shocks/fox-980-02-300-a-jeep-tj-xj-zj-2.0-factory-series-reservoir-rear-shock
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Sounds like a good buy. With Jeeps, it always ends up costing more than planned.