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Offline neale_rs

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Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« on: April 20, 2012, 04:43:32 PM »
I've always doubted that rear disk brakes would actually stop the vehicle any better than rear drums when cool. 
Here is some info that might surprise you since it is usually taken as a given that rear disks are better:


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_brake   

Drum brakes have a natural "self-applying" characteristic, better known as "self-energizing." The rotation of the drum can drag either one or both of the shoes into the friction surface, causing the brakes to bite harder, which increases the force holding them together. This increases the stopping power without any additional effort being expended by the driver, but it does make it harder for the driver to modulate the brake's sensitivity.

Disc brakes exhibit no self-applying effect because the hydraulic pressure acting on the pads is perpendicular to the direction of rotation of the disc.
Due to the fact that a drum brakes friction contact area is at the circumference of the brake, a drum brake can provide more braking force than an equal diameter disc brake. The increased friction contact area of drum brake shoes on the drum allows drum brake shoes to last longer than disc brake pads used in a brake system of similar dimensions and braking force. Drum brakes retain heat and are more complex than disc brakes but are often the more economical and powerful brake type to use in rear brake applications due to the low heat generation of rear brakes, a drum brakes self applying nature, large friction surface contact area, and long life wear characteristics(%life used/kW of braking power).

Although drum brakes are often the better choice for rear brake applications in all but the highest performance applications, vehicle manufactures are increasingly installing disc brake system at the rear wheels. This is due to the popularity rise of disc brakes after the introduction front ventilated disc brakes. Front ventilated disc brakes performed much better than the front drum brakes they replaced. The difference in front drum and disc brake performance caused car buyers to purchase cars that also had rear disc brakes. Additionally rear disc brakes are often associated with high performance race cars which has increased their popularity in street cars. Rear disc brakes in most applications are not ventilated and offer no performance advantage over drum brakes. Even when rear discs are ventilated, it is likely that the rear brakes will never benefit from the ventilation unless subjected to very high performance racing style driving.
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Offline Jeffy

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 05:04:25 PM »
Seeing as your front brakes do about 80-90% of the braking, I would say no.
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Offline grumpygy

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 06:54:09 PM »
Not sure about the stopping part.  But maintenance wise I would go with the Disks.   Main reason I want to do the change.

  But also I really like the way my truck stops with them.  But what makes it so good is the antilock part.  Would not work as good with drums in the rear.  So that excuse would not work on the Jeep cause I don't have antilock on it.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 08:37:53 PM »
no matter what i did i always had one side locking at times on wet days with drums, driving a while would get better but it just happened. Also the pedal travel was longer, adjusting the shoes would fix it for a while but then would be back where i left off, switched to discs and it's much better, never locks and i actually get e-brake to lock backwards as well.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 07:49:57 AM »
Thanks for the comments.  It sounds like other benefits could make them worth while...maybe unsprung weight reduction too (maybe for desert racing).

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 08:20:41 AM »
i don't think you save any weight, remember that you have both brake pads and brake shoes (e-brake) and even if there is a difference would be too small compared to the rest of the axle.
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Offline neale_rs

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 08:37:30 AM »
I guess it might take high end parts to reduce the weight, probably not much reduction stock to stock.
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Offline chardrc

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 01:06:19 PM »
Disk brakes will also still work after going through a big water/ mud hole. A thing drums fail at.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 08:17:29 AM »
So what discs can you put on the TJ?
I mean on the rear.
I have not seen any upgrade options.

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 08:55:59 AM »
ZJ or TJ Rubicon will bolt right up, probably Rubi e-brake cables if the stock ones won't work.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 09:09:38 AM »
ZJ or TJ Rubicon will bolt right up, probably Rubi e-brake cables if the stock ones won't work.

So the ZJ is just plug and play? I just find some discs and calipers and mount them on the d35?
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Offline Jeffy

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 11:27:41 AM »
You need the backing plates as well, they act as spacers.  FYI: ZJ's use a D35 rear axle.  Those on the aluminum D44 use D35 axle tube flanges so they should interchange as well.  This is also why Rubicon discs work.

I believe the KJ also used disc brakes as well.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2012, 11:33:31 AM »
Has anyone of you done the ZJ, KJ swap?
What is the exactly what I need. Yes, its a dummy question :lol2:

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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2012, 02:05:25 PM »
Has anyone of you done the ZJ, KJ swap?
What is the exactly what I need. Yes, its a dummy question :lol2:

i did the ZJ

there's some pictures here
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg88951.html#msg88951 http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg89024.html#msg89024
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg89649.html#msg89649

I bought new Rubi rotors as they are 5x4.5, can't remember if ZJ is 5x5.5 (most likely) - i think that's why i got the Rubi ones.
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Re: Is a rear disk brake conversion worth while?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 02:51:50 PM »
i did the ZJ

there's some pictures here
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg88951.html#msg88951 http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg89024.html#msg89024
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,6984.msg89649.html#msg89649

I bought new Rubi rotors as they are 5x4.5, can't remember if ZJ is 5x5.5 (most likely) - i think that's why i got the Rubi ones.


You wanted smaller ones? I thought people always go for the bigger ones