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Offline chardrc

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 07:06:54 PM »
The tbi system on my jeep is abit of a different animal than mpfi but on my jeep the electric fan gave a decent increase for the cost when using a junkyard fan. The bored tb gave me a larger boost than expected (can cruse at 65 70 with 80% throttle instead of wot and a decent increase in fuel economy) but then again the tbi bore starts smaller than the mpfi system does so it was more restricted to begin with. so don't get too discouraged but don't expect miracles
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »
yikes, that is a stiff budget. My vote is to save it for gas until you can afford the re-gear. I am on the fence with the TB.  On a stock engine along with other supporting mods I see it helping at highway speeds. Other than that an e-fan is your best bet to free up some ponies. also pick up some injectors from a mustang if you do the TB mod.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 07:09:49 PM »
unless his injectors are shot the Mustang ones will not to anything for power increase, 4.0 t/b def helps but that's only if you get rid of the velocity insert in the airbox and use a high flow filter.
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 07:34:19 AM »
I dunno guys, i installed a bunch of those instant power, just-add-jeep parts: AEM intake, banks header/cat back, high flow cat, 62mm TB, TB spacer and for what that all cost, it didn't come near what a regear gave. The gains were minute at best. Maybe my motor is just plain crappy and lazy, im not discrediting the guys who are posting they got good results, but in my personal case, the changes were barely noticed and def not worth the cash. I went from 3.73 to 4.56 and felt a difference there, and to be honest i think i had siked myself up to feeling a bigger difference, cause it took a bit for me to really appreciate the full change from stock gear to 4.56.
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 09:28:50 AM »
For those saying the add on power mods did not work for you.  What size tires were you running. And what was your original gearing.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 12:47:04 PM »
I can say for sure the one that was most obvious to me from the basic swaps was the 4.0L t/b and high flow filter, i did the gearing long after so i can't compare the 2, they both yield gains or seat of the pants feel, on the 4.0 t/b and airfilter was that i was actually able to see some speed increase in 4th (with the stock 4.10 and 33s) whereas before it was a constant shifting between 3rd and 4th on any slight change in wind or even the slightest uphill - that's what i remember anyway. Of course a week or so later it felt like nothing was changed, but so it felt after the gearing change, it's what you get used to as there's no metrics to really gauge the increase (feel vs some numerical dyno results)

the other thing that shadows any gains is that highway speeds, wind and hills (by the means of no aerodynamic considerations, large frontal areal, lift that adds to this and also weight gained by adding armor, whinches, larger tires/wheel, roof racks, etc) are really the ones hurting us the most, since a 10% increase in HP would probably mean a 1 or 2 mph increase at top speed you'll rarely see the benefit in it. On the other hand with the gearing the rpm increases in the same gear for the same speed and therefore the powerband which you're in is more favorable, so if you compare 3000rpm to 3500 rpm you might be at 50 vs 60 HP output at wot (for the same speed) which is 10HP or 20% increase if you compare the 2, on the other hand with a t/b and airfilter your gains are more significant at over 4000 rpm since better volumetric efficiency is relevant at higher required airflow and piston speeds - and let's say you get 5% increase at max power output (6 HP for a 120HP engine), it's a lot less to evaluate when you're at a lower rpm trying to increase speed.

So even though the gearing won't gain you any HP it will provide more HP to the wheels at the same speed in the same gear, but it is more expensive and more involved than a simple t/b and airfilter + airbox mod.

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 04:24:10 PM »
Ok here is my reason for asking.  I'm running 4.10 gears Factory, tires I did not go overboard with and am running 31.5's.  So those little Mods of Filter, Inj's, 62 MM throttle Body and spacer, Exhaust, Spark coil and wires, and Elect Fan.  Have really helped to make the jeep More Drivable.  Way less downshifts  from 5th to 4th.

  Now If I had the 3.73 or say 33's then maybe I would not be able to feel a difference.  I also know if I do go larger on the tires I really will need to regear.
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2012, 04:23:07 PM »
The tbi system on my jeep is abit of a different animal than mpfi but on my jeep the electric fan gave a decent increase for the cost when using a junkyard fan. The bored tb gave me a larger boost than expected (can cruse at 65 70 with 80% throttle instead of wot and a decent increase in fuel economy) but then again the tbi bore starts smaller than the mpfi system does so it was more restricted to begin with. so don't get too discouraged but don't expect miracles

before selling my jeep this morning  :'(. i took the electric fan off (amounts other removable mods) and i will say the fan makes a noticeable difference especially in the higher rpms. with the electric and larger tb it would pull good through 5 grand. after putting the mechanical fan back on it tapers off after 4k.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2012, 08:09:55 PM »
before selling my jeep this morning  :'(. i took the electric fan off (amounts other removable mods) and i will say the fan makes a noticeable difference especially in the higher rpms. with the electric and larger tb it would pull good through 5 grand. after putting the mechanical fan back on it tapers off after 4k.
why would you do such a thing? (sell the Jeep not talking about the e-fan)
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2012, 05:13:15 PM »
why would you do such a thing? (sell the Jeep not talking about the e-fan)

His signature mentions a jk rubicon. I'm seriously considering selling mine as well and getting a 6 cyl. Can't kid myself any longer that this 4 cyl is fit for hywy driving...

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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2012, 06:03:36 PM »
why would you do such a thing? (sell the Jeep not talking about the e-fan)
I'm gonna say it's his only vehicle and he's wanting to daily it.  A JK Rubicon is a smart move.  You can drive it anywhere and not feel tired because of the added comfort.  I think if I had one, I'd move up to 33's and maybe a 3" lift.  Nothing too big.  Although my GF and family won't let me sell my Jeep.
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2012, 08:00:16 PM »
I'm gonna say it's his only vehicle and he's wanting to daily it.  A JK Rubicon is a smart move.  You can drive it anywhere and not feel tired because of the added comfort.  I think if I had one, I'd move up to 33's and maybe a 3" lift.  Nothing too big.  Although my GF and family won't let me sell my Jeep.

actually was the opposite with my family, They wanted me to sell the yj for the last 3 years. I actually have a 04 gc that I acquired from my family for daily driving (I know lucky sob). The main reason for selling the yj was the onset of rot at the rear of the frame (classic yj frame rust area) and a bunch of other little things that would need to be dealt with in the next 5 years. The yj could keep up on the highway commute (not many hills in mn) but it had a recurring clutch slave cyl problem that got very unnerving. If i rebuilt the 2.5l and changed to external slave I would have felt comfortable daily driving on the highway but then I would have needed a real top.... For what it was the yj was a great jeep 4 banger and all (has lasted 161 miles and 22 years including having 6 of those years under a guy that didn't believe in vehicle maintenance).
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2012, 08:07:01 PM »
So the JK is a toy?
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Re: More power plan?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2012, 10:23:40 PM »
A regear is in the future, just not now. I am NOT going to dump money into the crap-tacular stock axles. Its not going to happen. The fan is free, the muffler is free. The intake and spacer will eat up my "budget" but seems like will actually do some good. Anyway, I appreciate what you all are saying about the re-gear, and I get it. The cost for full width axles is just not there for me right now. But, back to the topic at hand, will these items make a noted difference, or do I just throw in the towel for now?

It's worthwhile to bore out the intake manifold to get it equal to the diameter of whatever larger TB you might use -- 4.0L, 62mm or larger version of that.  I got a used 4banger intake manifold off ebay for $25 and had a shop sandblast it and bore it out to 62mm for under $100 (had a second shop ceramic coat it with Jet-Hot or some other non-spray-can ceramic coating, but that pushed the total cost up).   

Anyway, if you've got an intake, spacer, and larger TB, you really need to bore out the intake manifold.  Otherwise, the intake manifold is little bit of a bottle-neck -- particularly at higher RPMs at WOT   
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2012, 12:57:39 PM »
For those saying the add on power mods did not work for you.  What size tires were you running. And what was your original gearing.


Update: Did the electric fan, the flowmaster (on hand, both), basic tuneup (plugs, wires, air fliter, cap and rotor) and the 4.0 tb. I gasket matched the intake, and changed over sensors. TB was by FAR the most noticable mod. It was also the last, so it was standing on their sholders. It will actually accelerate at a good pace in 4th uphill. I also had removed the airbox restrictors.

All the nay-sayers can say what they will, this stuff works, as I was certain it would. Breathe in better, out better, and more power will be the result. Period. Its still no rocketship, but more enjoyable to drive. I hope if someone is debating on spending the $35, (my cost) I'd say GO FOR IT! you will be pleasently surprised if your realistic.  :dance: