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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2007, 04:58:29 PM »
The FSM says not to turn them and just clean them up with fine sand paper, unless they are really bad, then replace.
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2007, 05:57:00 PM »
New ones cost $20-$40 depending on the brand.  Hardly worth turning them, even if there was enough material to do it.
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2007, 06:19:22 PM »
New ones cost $20-$40 depending on the brand.  Hardly worth turning them, even if there was enough material to do it.

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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2007, 05:26:46 AM »
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It isn't!  I even said it in the first reply.  :wall:

LOL - apparently it needed to be repeated, since somehow we have a 3 page thread on doing a brake job ;)
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2007, 05:29:21 AM »
You figure if you are going to drive in sand and silt and crap, you are going to get crap on the disc rotor surface that is going to score it whether you are using standard rotors, slotted, dimpled etc etc.   Even with no dimples/slots, when the pads bite on a rotor that has hard particulates on it, you are probably going to get a some scoring

You do it with slotted rotors, then the crap/mud/grit will get trapped in the slots/dimples and really screw up your rotors etc, right?  Maybe

These slots and dimples are coated with brake dust just from regular street use and that dust (and the effective anti-rust zinc coatings on most brakes) probably doesn't win any prizes for aiding mud/sand/rock particle-adhesion.  That plus high heat born of braking friction which will cause the rotor metal to expand -- again disrupting adhesion or capture of foreign materials -- and the air speed from road-driving probably makes slots and dimples less than hospitable environment for mud/sand/rock particles seeking long-term residency on your after-market rotors. 

But if you are using these slotted/dimpled rotors on a non-street-able rig that never gets on the road and is always on the rocks or in mud pits and averaging 1mph (or you'd like to wish that you are  :lol:), maybe its a different story. Maybe then you want to get yourself some stock-type rotors.

As for drilled brakes...  The way around cracking -- while keeping the potential cooling effect of drilling -- is, apparently, to use over-sized rotors.  You'll see big drilled rotors on modern porsche, mercedes cars-- cars designed for 155mph highway cruising in countries that also get snow/ice/rain.  If you wanted to do the big, drilled, aftermarket Brembos on a street/trail Jeep, you could probably do it up with no problems.  If you hit mud/grit off-road, a little street/highway driving/braking would probably go a long way towards insuring they were cleaned out completely. 




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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2007, 05:36:42 AM »
Jeep not a race car no slotted dimpled starred grooved rotors needed just use the plain stuff, upgrade the booster and mastercylinder then use the money saved on good tires and lockers or whatever makes it drive the way you likeon the road and off the road on the rocks in dirt swamp you name it. All the stuff needed to do a brake job that will get the job done at a low cost is in these three pages
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2007, 08:16:46 AM »
LOL - apparently it needed to be repeated, since somehow we have a 3 page thread on doing a brake job ;)

I guess I should apologize for all the rookie questions that made a brake job a 3 page thread!  Sorry, guys!  But your answers HAVE been most useful!
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2007, 05:57:42 PM »
Just to update you guys...

Finally got to doing the brake job, and WHAT A TON OF WORK it ended being!  First of all, the Hawk pads came wrong (I got 2 left outer pads), so I had to end up getting some new pads locally.  I installed Bendix TitaniuMetallic II, and they are doing fine up front...  I also installed Brembo rotors (called me hard headed, but I got the slotted ones...) and the new brake lines (the ones I got are the 5 layered ones from Quadratec).

On the back, it turns out the whole brake system was shot, as the cylinders in the rear were not working at all.  So I had to replace those as well.  I did have the rear drums turned, to even things out, but no wonder I was short on topping power!  The rear brakes were not working!!!

Anyway, now I got enough power to lock the wheels, but the pedal is still way down there, making driving a bit uncomfortable.  So the booster will most likely be replcaed as well.  But that's further down the line!

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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2007, 06:25:04 PM »
If the pedal is low its either air in the brake hydraulics or your rear brakes need adjusting. With drum brakes its a good idea to first back of the park brake cable then adjust the rear brakes then adjust the park brake.
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2007, 08:51:45 PM »
http://www.motiveproducts.com/02bleeders.html
Easiest way to get the brakes fully bled out in about 10 minutes.

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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2007, 01:31:59 AM »
If you live in a humid wet area you should consider a synthetic DOT5 brake fluid, normal break fluid will absorb moisture and is water soluble while synthetic will repel water from the brake system, you may even notice improved braking performance due to better lubrication of the master & pistons, just don't mix the two types there not compatible. You can also improve rear drum performance by using a hacksaw and cutting a "W" pattern across the drum pads, this has similar benefits as slotted rotors. I read this in an issue of Four Wheeler and after trying it on some new drum pads I was amazed with the results. Sounds like a small amount of air is still in the system, have a friend help you bleed the the system, results are usually better than using a self bleeder kit and plan on using a whole bottle to flush and bleed.

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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2007, 07:45:03 AM »
If the pedal is low its either air in the brake hydraulics or your rear brakes need adjusting. With drum brakes its a good idea to first back of the park brake cable then adjust the rear brakes then adjust the park brake.

Didn't the rear brakes adjust themselves by backing up and braking hard?  I thought this would readjust them...
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2007, 07:46:10 AM »
http://www.motiveproducts.com/02bleeders.html
Easiest way to get the brakes fully bled out in about 10 minutes.

I did bleed the lines, as I installed the new brake lines, so there should not be any air in the lines...
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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2007, 07:48:00 AM »
If you live in a humid wet area you should consider a synthetic DOT5 brake fluid, normal break fluid will absorb moisture and is water soluble while synthetic will repel water from the brake system, you may even notice improved braking performance due to better lubrication of the master & pistons, just don't mix the two types there not compatible. You can also improve rear drum performance by using a hacksaw and cutting a "W" pattern across the drum pads, this has similar benefits as slotted rotors. I read this in an issue of Four Wheeler and after trying it on some new drum pads I was amazed with the results. Sounds like a small amount of air is still in the system, have a friend help you bleed the the system, results are usually better than using a self bleeder kit and plan on using a whole bottle to flush and bleed.

This is a good idea; I do live in a very humid region (Miami), so I think I'll replace the brake fluid with a fully synthetic one.  About the W shape, well, I think I will leave that for the next time I take the wheels off...  I'm just too lazy, aren't I?

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Re: Brakes (suggestions?)
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2007, 09:51:11 AM »
http://www.motiveproducts.com/02bleeders.html
Easiest way to get the brakes fully bled out in about 10 minutes.

I did bleed the lines, as I installed the new brake lines, so there should not be any air in the lines...

Soft pedal indicates air in the lines, bad master cylinder or a leak.  Rock hard pedal indicates bad brake booster.  9 times out of 10 if you have been replacing lines and wheel cylinders, it will be air in the lines.  Pressure bleeding the brakes is the way that shops do it and guarantees that all the air gets out.  Pumping the brakes will not always do the job.   Another option if you don't want to invest in a pressure bleeder is doing a gravity bleed for a few hours.
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