Topic: just got a winch

[Jeffy]

Looks nice.  I like how you cut it so it goes around the front crossmember.  I didn't realize the Mile Markers were  Mosfet.  Kind of nice to have solid state but not as easy to fix as the solenoids in the field.  I also like the narrowed bumper.

What kind of fan is that?  You also using the engine fan as well?

[nofearblackstar]

not sure on the fan but ill look for you

and yes i have the engine fan but im gona take it off cuz its usless on air flow and thats it standing still .

[Jeffy]

not sure on the fan but ill look for you

and yes i have the engine fan but im gona take it off cuz its usless on air flow and thats it standing still .

Hmm, your fan clutch might be dead/dying then.  It should pull a lot of air.  Be careful on the electric fan though.  You need a high CFM to keep the engine cool.  This is why many like the 2-speed FoMoCo's since they pull anywhere from 2700-4000cfm.  Also, fans are more efficient as pullers not pushers.  From the pictures it almost looks like the fan is a puller. 

[nofearblackstar]

whats cfm?
i think its just not pullin alot of air cuz its bent up so i might just throw a new one on there . havent had any overheating issues , not in 4low or anything never goes above 210 . also do you know where i can look to get a fan shroud[sp] cuz mine broke when i droped in the new engine . cuz im shure its pointless without one seeing as i have about 2 feet off space between the radiator and the fan

[Jesse-James]

CFM = Cubic Feet Per Minute

[Jeffy]

whats cfm?
i think its just not pullin alot of air cuz its bent up so i might just throw a new one on there . havent had any overheating issues , not in 4low or anything never goes above 210 . also do you know where i can look to get a fan shroud[sp] cuz mine broke when i droped in the new engine . cuz im shure its pointless without one seeing as i have about 2 feet off space between the radiator and the fan

Ah, you have no shroud.  That makes a huge difference.  It looks like the electric fan's blades spiral clockwise.  From what little of the blades I can see it also looks like they are pitched to push running counter clockwise.  Is this right?  If that's the case then  I think it's actually a puller fan running backwards.  I'd probably get rid of the engine fan and see about moving the fan to the other side and having it pull.

Or go an get a electric fan from some other vehicle.FoMoCo V6 and V8 fans are popular.

Only place to get a shroud is ebay or salvage yard.  Or if someone removed theirs to go electric.

[nofearblackstar]

ya it is pushing . im not shure if i should switch it over if its working fine right now but i will look into it . also i dont see a name on it so im not shure who makes it ?

ya no fan shroud so i prolly will just take the fan off
when i get back into the shop ill be flat fendering it and building a roof rack .

[Jeffy]

ya it is pushing . im not shure if i should switch it over if its working fine right now but i will look into it . also i dont see a name on it so im not shure who makes it ?

ya no fan shroud so i prolly will just take the fan off
when i get back into the shop ill be flat fendering it and building a roof rack .

Well, your engine fan is just flapping in the wind and the electric fan, if I see it fight is turning the wrong way and on the less efficient side (pusher).  I'd ditch the engine fan and move the fan to be a puller and have it spin the proper direction.

I can see why you'd have cooling problem when sitting still.

[nofearblackstar]

ya i think ill go ahead and do that then . but just so you know i dont have any cooling proublems but by fliping it im sure it will only run cooler witch should help . maybe when i get it off ill be able to see who makes it as well

[jfrabat]

Just to pitch in my 2 cents...

If I were you (and I was some time ago, with a broken fan shroud!) I'd just go to the neares U-Pick junkyard, and pick myself a two speed fan (this is the one with the 3 wires) from a 90's (mine was a '96) Ford Taurus V6 complete with shroud.  Mine was $30.

With a little modifying, the fan shroud will fit the Jeep (you only need to modify one side; on the other, the screw position matches!) and use a 3 position switch with 2 sets of relays to run the e-fan (that way, you can run it on Hi, Low, or Off).  In my case, I went a bit further, as I installed a speed controller, that increases the fan speed as temp goes up, and turns it off if the temp is right, and turns it on to a moderate speed if the A/C is on, and I have that as an option.  So I can put the fan in Auto, ON (using a separate set of relays, in case the auto ever fails), or OFF (if I am to cross a river I can turn it off so its not sucked into the rad, or if I am driving long distances at highway speeds, I can turn it off even if the A/C is on for better mileage), and I am happy with the results.

Taking the fan of the mechanical side of the engine will free up some desperately needed ponies under the hood!

Felipe

[Jeffy]

Just to pitch in my 2 cents...

If I were you (and I was some time ago, with a broken fan shroud!) I'd just go to the neares U-Pick junkyard, and pick myself a two speed fan (this is the one with the 3 wires) from a 90's (mine was a '96) Ford Taurus V6 complete with shroud.  Mine was $30.

With a little modifying, the fan shroud will fit the Jeep (you only need to modify one side; on the other, the screw position matches!) and use a 3 position switch with 2 sets of relays to run the e-fan (that way, you can run it on Hi, Low, or Off).  In my case, I went a bit further, as I installed a speed controller, that increases the fan speed as temp goes up, and turns it off if the temp is right, and turns it on to a moderate speed if the A/C is on, and I have that as an option.  So I can put the fan in Auto, ON (using a separate set of relays, in case the auto ever fails), or OFF (if I am to cross a river I can turn it off so its not sucked into the rad, or if I am driving long distances at highway speeds, I can turn it off even if the A/C is on for better mileage), and I am happy with the results.

Taking the fan of the mechanical side of the engine will free up some desperately needed ponies under the hood!

Felipe

He already has an electric fan.  (It's a puller set up as a pusher.)  If he doesn't have overheating issues when why not jsut reuse the existing electric can and not have to spend more money on yet another fan?

[jfrabat]

I just mentioned getting the other one because it will come with the shroud (from what I see and read, he does not have one)...  And getting the whole thing ran me a grand total of $28, which is still fairly cheap.

[nofearblackstar]

ya thanks for the idea but i dont see any point of getting a new one . i may already have another one that may work that way though . snd if thats the case ill do it . but if not im not gona go threw the trouble to fix something that has no trouble . i will prolly switch the fan to the other side though

[jfrabat]

Just make sure you use a shroud...  Otherwise, the fan will not be nearly as effective as it can be.

[Jeffy]

Just make sure you use a shroud...  Otherwise, the fan will not be nearly as effective as it can be.

When the fan is right up against the radiator I doubt you really need a shroud though.  The shroud is there to help optimize the fans CFM as well as be a cone for pulling air thought the radiator.  If the fan it right up against the radiator the fan can only pull air from the area in front of the fan.  All other space is free flowing  otherwise, you just end up blocking all air flow.  But really since he doesn't have overheating issues, I'd sat his fans are working well enough in their gimp state.  Now if he fixes the electric so it's turning the direction it was designed to go and make it a puller, it will work at say 100% instead of 75-80% in it's current state.  Fans are designed to move in one direction  revering them without turning the blades around cuts down on their efficiency.