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tire opinions
« on: October 17, 2007, 11:57:57 PM »
Well soon I hope to be upgrading my tires.  Can't yet side between 33's or 35's.  I'm looking for opinions on best bang for the buck.  What I'm looking for is: strength, weight (light is better if it doesn't compromise too much strength), tread wear, grip, etc.  What are your opinions for the best all around tire, because this will be a daily driver.  I'm leaning towards 33's.  I don't want all terrains because I will be off road hopefully as much on road.  :weee: also  I'm curious about rim sizes and what rim sizes work best with what said tire.

sorry if this question has been answered a lot, I have decided not to get super swampers because of gas mileage.

Also I plan on doing an 8.8 swap and I understand most everything about how I would need to upgrade my axles and stuff, blah blah blah money money money. ok so no axle talk on here unless it pertains to a particular tire/rim set up. Don't want jeffy getting mad at people getting off topic.  :baby:
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 12:12:10 AM »
i have 33,1250,15 pro comp muds and i hate them . good tire offroad and in mud but wears down so fast on the road, witch is a big deal cuz its also my daily driver . my friend jeep has same size but bfg all terrains and we have no trouble runnin them off road . I know im movin to all terrains cuz my muds are almost gone with only about 3000 miles on them hopefully movin to 35 but ill have to see if it will clear in the rear

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 03:20:27 AM »
Well soon I hope to be upgrading my tires.  Can't yet side between 33's or 35's.  I'm looking for opinions on best bang for the buck.  What I'm looking for is: strength, weight (light is better if it doesn't compromise too much strength), tread wear, grip, etc.  What are your opinions for the best all around tire, because this will be a daily driver.  I'm leaning towards 33's.  I don't want all terrains because I will be off road hopefully as much on road.  :weee: also  I'm curious about rim sizes and what rim sizes work best with what said tire.

sorry if this question has been answered a lot, I have decided not to get super swampers because of gas mileage.

Also I plan on doing an 8.8 swap and I understand most everything about how I would need to upgrade my axles and stuff, blah blah blah money money money. ok so no axle talk on here unless it pertains to a particular tire/rim set up. Don't want jeffy getting mad at people getting off topic.  :baby:

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You need to give more info.  What's your current gearing?  Are you going to regear?  How far is your commute?  What kind of trails are we talking about?  gravel, fireroads, powerline trails, mud (watery vs thick), rocks, dirt, etc...

The more aggressive the tires are the faster they'll wear.  The more grip the tire has the faster they will wear.  The faster you driver, the more they will wear.  Bias ply tires wear faster then Radials.  Open < Limited Slip Differentials < Auto-Locker?  See the trend?

Even if you're 50/50 onroad,it doesn't mean you shouldn't use AT's.  For most people AT's would be fine for 90% of what they do.  Tires like the BFG KO's are fairly aggressive AT's and work well for most people.  So don't write off AT's so quickly.

That being said, I'd say the best tire for a daily driver is probably the Goodyear MT/R.  I'm sure others will say BFG AT's or some other tire but here's what I think.  The MT/R's are aggressive but not overly.  They have good street handling and work well offroad as well.  They tend to last a long time with regular tire rotations as well.  I like them better in heavy rain then my old BFG AT's since the AT's plowed through water instead of shedding it.  They have thick sidewalls which is a big plus as well.  BFG's are notorious for their thin sidewalls.  The tires may not be as sticky as a Swamper but they hold up a whole lot better with a lot of onroad driving.  Their only down side is cost.  Swampers are pretty cheap in comparison.

I'm kinda partial to the Pro-Comp Xtreme AT's though.  The 40,000 Mile tread life warranty sounds good.  I have around 30,000 on my MTR's and there's about 30-35% tread left.  Although I don't really like directional tread.  Interco TrXus MT's are kind of interesting too.  Toyo has some nice tires as well.  Oh there's also the new BFG KM2's.  Kind of a combination of their KM and the KX (Krawlers).  I really like the looks of these, I haven't seen them till now.  No one I've talked to has ever mentioned them.  If they perform 90% of the Krawlers and have the treadlife of a KM, I might buy them next.




As for wheels, it really depends on the tire size, the trails you do and not much street you drive.  There's two width's, 8" and 10".  With a 12.5" wide tire you can run either.  Rockcrawlers like the 8's because the tires wraps around the wheel and protects the rim from damage.  They are also less prone to breaking the bead.  The down side is that you have to run less pressure (20's) in the tires to get a flat tread pattern.  This means the tires will heat up more while onroad.  Heat causes wear.  10's on the other hand have a flat tread pattern at the higher psi's. (30's)  They also tend to look a bit nicer.  The downside is when aired down they don't protect the rim of the wheel as well and can break the bead if you run in the 10's (psi) or lower.  They are also heavier. 

Then you have offset (OS)/backspacing (BS).  Stock wheels are usually 5.5" BS.  For a most Jeeps it's good to stay between 4.75 and 4.25.  Although you can run as wide as 3.75" but that really puts the tire well past the stock flares.  A 12.5" wide tire on a 8" wheel with 3.75" will stick past the stock flares around 5-6".  This tends to put more stress on the wheel bearings but I've never seen it being an issue ever.  The downside is that you'll be flinging mud, rocks, water, etc onto the side of the Jeep.  If you have a soft top the side windows will never really be clean.  Also, if you happen to have the window open. The rooster tail off the front tires will get you when you turn.  This is also a legal issue in many states.  Some states don't allow flare extensions.  Just to give you an idea of how wide is it, when I remove my flares, 90% of my tires are past the actual body of the jeep with 3.75" BS.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you could run more BS.  This helps keep the tires under the fenders and flares.  This keeps the Jeep look stock but it does come at a price as well.  Bring the tires inboard and they may rub the suspension or frame when at full turn.  To keep this from happening, you'll need to adjust your steering stops.  This sets the turn limits.  For 95% of your driving you probably won't ever notice it unless you're doing a U-turn.  Some say you get more stability with the wider stance but in the real world its not really enough to make that much of a difference.  At least onroad.  Offroad, it does give you a bit more stability and you get greater range of articulation.

Another thing to consider, most Jeepers who run 35's and up tend not to worry about tread life so much.
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Re: tire opinions
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 04:01:46 AM »
You could also try the www.tirerack.com site.  It has pretty extensive owner reviews on all the AT and MTs they sell.  I was surprised to see that the Firestone Destination MT was top of the heap in their MT reviews. 

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 06:17:38 AM »
I've been very impressed with the Mickey Thompson MTZ's on my jeep.   They are a decent mud tire but don't ride or howl like one on the highway.    They are quieter than the Goodyear MTR's on my sons comanche and infinitly quieter than the Dunlop MT's that were on it before that.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 08:07:12 AM »
You may want to try the the Cooper Discoverer STT tires.  They have a mud tread with some siping to help on wet pavement, aggresive but not too much and they have worked well for me in all types of terrain.  On a recent wheeling trip it seemed to me they would pack up with mud less than some BFG MTs which are considered to be good.  They also look good, several people have remarked about them to me.  You can see them here: http://www.coopertire.com/Flash/index.aspx
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 08:20:20 AM »
I would look into kumho MT's the one that look like a copy of BFG classic mud terrian tire thats been around for so long.  I have 30" x 9.5" on my TJ and I have over 30,000 miles on them so far and I havent even rotated them or ever had 60,000 mile plus jeep ever had a alignment.  At 30,000 miles they have more than half of the tread life in the rear and little less than half on the front.  I expect to get at least another 10,000 before I replace them.  If my jeep had a alignment and I rotated tires I would easliy expect these tire to get 50,000 miles out of them.  They seriously last as long as BFG AT's that I had before.

They dont grip as well as the old LTB super swampers that I had before but those tires only last 10-15k.  The kumho MT's are still plenty kickin off road, they dont ball up in mud like the BFG AT's either.

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 09:33:06 AM »
I bought the Interco TrXus based on reviews.....I commute with my Jeep as well and off-road once a month.

I haven't actually put them on yet as I have to get my axles on first.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 09:38:48 AM »
I've got a 4.5'' lift open diff's with 4:10s and I am running 33X12.50 Interco TrXus MT's. They are a relatively soft tire in my opinion. They do quite well off road for the price. I am sure they will be showing signs of wear within a few months though. I would just make sure you go and get a thorough front end alignment before adding expensive tires. This will increase their life and decrease the negative handling effects of the larger tires. As for 33'' vs 35'', I have no experience with 35's but for now with my gearing and finances, 33'' is where I'll stay.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 09:41:07 AM »
I bought the Interco TrXus based on reviews.....I commute with my Jeep as well and off-road once a month.

I haven't actually put them on yet as I have to get my axles on first.


Are those the trxus STS?   I've never seen anyone actually use those things offroad, what kind of terrain are they supposed to be good for?   Couple guys in the club use the trxus MT's - with good results, but they wear fairly quickly with a lot of road use.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2007, 02:00:02 PM »
I bought the Interco TrXus based on reviews.....I commute with my Jeep as well and off-road once a month.

I haven't actually put them on yet as I have to get my axles on first.


Are those the trxus STS?   I've never seen anyone actually use those things offroad, what kind of terrain are they supposed to be good for?   Couple guys in the club use the trxus MT's - with good results, but they wear fairly quickly with a lot of road use.

Woops...yes...those were the STS's (picture now fixed).  Wrong ones were shipped but I still took a picture so I could see what the size looked like...was fixed after a couple of days!! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2007, 05:36:00 PM »
Woops...yes...those were the STS's (picture now fixed).  Wrong ones were shipped but I still took a picture so I could see what the size looked like...was fixed after a couple of days!! :thumbsup:

STS's sure are ugly interesting...
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 08:29:42 PM »
Woops...yes...those were the STS's (picture now fixed).  Wrong ones were shipped but I still took a picture so I could see what the size looked like...was fixed after a couple of days!! :thumbsup:

STS's sure are ugly interesting...
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2007, 08:50:13 PM »
It really depends on the type of wheeling you're doing.

I ran a set of Goodyear ATs for a while and got tired of feeling like a fish on a hook, winching from tree to tree through mud and snow. Then I went to Swamper 33x10.50x15R TSLs. Swamper are great in just about any type of wheeling (not as much a foot print on slick rock though). The biggest down side is the howling at highway speed.

I also run BFG ATs on my truck, wife's Durango, and used to run them on her Cherokee. IMHO you can't go wrong with BFGs.  The only way I run Goodyear tires is when a vehicle comes with them, but as soon as I wear them down they're gone.

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007, 09:16:56 PM »
Wow this is a lot more information then I expected.  This all is fairly well down the road, I plan on upgrading to 8.8s in the rear and an arb even further down the road.  I think my first upgrade will be 33's.  As for tires, I'm going to thoroughly look through all these posts and see what I can find in my price range.  And maybe I shouldn't count out all terrains yet, but i've been stuck in the mud and just really wish I had a little more traction.  both the mtr's and the cooper tires look like good bets. 

As for jeffy's questions: I live in Virginia, there seems to be a little bit of everything.  In my town it's mainly mud and powerlines, which is fun, but it's not why I got a jeep.  In the western part of the state there are some pretty gnarley trails, like crozet, and other mountain trails.  if I can find time in between school and work I will surely be venturing out that direction more often.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I want a capable off road tire, with good tread wear, because it will be a daily driver.

Also jeffy, if you were in my shoes, what size rim would you go for? that still is a toss up for me... I'm leaning for 10's with 33x12.5.

thanks so much guys.  I'm going to reread all these post and search prices and stuff.

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