Topic: Jeep clip on youtube i found

[chardrc]

The Jeep will outperform that Land Rover on 9 out of 10 obstacles. 

It's amazing what a longer wheelbase or wider track will give you on certain obstacles...

its also amazing what a narrow track and shot wheelbase will do on others/ to make it totaly different.. you can take a willys and drive around a lot of what the big jeeps are having to smash over and you have more lines to choose from...   but ya there are times when different things are more optimal. and alot of wheeling performance is determined by the driver...

and the first land rover was based on a jeep...

ya im obviously bias but im loving it lol... 

[jagular7]

What about traction control of the Rover? It is computerized. You won't see it spinning the wheels as its applied through the brake system to hold the spinning tire and let the torque go to the other wheel. The control does not let all the torque go from spinning wheel to non-spinning wheel.

[JohnnyO]

Doesn't matter how much lift or how big his tires are if they're not touching the ground.  He's got it where it's balancing between two tires on opposite sides.  That's the problem with open-differentials.  When one side is in the air all the power goes to that side.

That's what I was thinking.  Also Land Rovers are known for having a crapload of suspension travel.
A few years ago at Wellsville, OH I pulled out a stuck Rubicon with the Ranger I had at the time (no offense).  Dude simply high-centered it, admittedly not an easy thing to do with a Wrangler, and all the lockers in the world aren't going to help you when the tires aren't touching the ground.

[Jeffy]

That's what I was thinking.  Also Land Rovers are known for having a crapload of suspension travel.
A few years ago at Wellsville, OH I pulled out a stuck Rubicon with the Ranger I had at the time (no offense).  Dude simply high-centered it, admittedly not an easy thing to do with a Wrangler, and all the lockers in the world aren't going to help you when the tires aren't touching the ground.

I wouldn't say a crap load.  I doubt it's more then the TJ either.  You can see the tires spin then the Traction Control kicking in.  That's a HUGE advantage.

[aw12345]

Well they should have done a comparison with a Grand Cherokee with traction control, that works pretty well on those also. But then again I have pulled a range rover out of a spot where my Jeep did not even begin to think it was difficult

Also here is a video of one of my buddies doing his thing with his TJ with 2 open diffs, that boy goes places with it that a lot of other people struggle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZjs2WAbWls

[chardrc]

sweet video.. what size tires does that gc have?

[Jeffy]

Well they should have done a comparison with a Grand Cherokee with traction control, that works pretty well on those also. But then again I have pulled a range rover out of a spot where my Jeep did not even begin to think it was difficult

Also here is a video of one of my buddies doing his thing with his TJ with 2 open diffs, that boy goes places with it that a lot of other people struggle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZjs2WAbWls

Yeah but that comes with experience.  I know a few guy's who are like that and are really good as feeling their way around.  Actually, many who travel around the world prefer to have open-diffs so there is less of a chance of breaking.  They don't bother to beef up axles and what not since parts availability become nil, when you're half way round the world in some remote part of SA or Russia.

Traction-control is good until it isn't.  Too much that can break.  The computers, harnesses, brake solenoids, etc...  Open-diffs or lockers are way more dependable.

[JohnnyO]

Traction-control is good until it isn't.  Too much that can break.  The computers, harnesses, brake solenoids, etc...  Open-diffs or lockers are way more dependable.

My '08 Sport Trac has traction control.  In all the snow we had this winter I friggen' hated it.  When all four wheels are driving through 2' of snow all it does is make the engine take a crap.  So I spent most of February with the traction control shut off and locked in 4-Hi, and I do mean every day on the street, which essentially meant open axles front and rear.  I did get more aggressive A/T tires for it last year, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been.  I was missing my old Sport Trac with limited-slip a lot.  Just gas and go.

My idea of electronic traction control is a switch that turns on a locker. 

[Jeffy]

My '08 Sport Trac has traction control.  In all the snow we had this winter I friggen' hated it.  When all four wheels are driving through 2' of snow all it does is make the engine take a crap.  So I spent most of February with the traction control shut off and locked in 4-Hi, and I do mean every day on the street, which essentially meant open axles front and rear.  I did get more aggressive A/T tires for it last year, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been.  I was missing my old Sport Trac with limited-slip a lot.  Just gas and go.

My idea of electronic traction control is a switch that turns on a locker. 

Things like dirt, gravel and snow can trick traction control/ABS into thinking you're slipping when really you're not.  I really hate most ABS as they are set to kick-in too soon. 

[neale_rs]

Well they should have done a comparison with a Grand Cherokee with traction control, that works pretty well on those also. But then again I have pulled a range rover out of a spot where my Jeep did not even begin to think it was difficult

Also here is a video of one of my buddies doing his thing with his TJ with 2 open diffs, that boy goes places with it that a lot of other people struggle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZjs2WAbWls

Very nice crawling.  I know a guy that runs his YJ with open diffs and goes everywhere.  It's always instructive to watch how the does things.  He once told me a YJ (with open diffs) won't climb anything unless at least one axle has both tires hitting straight on, so you have to find a line that allows that.  He also said a TJ is much better at climbing without the axles perfectly straight on due to the greater flex.

[stan98tj]

Well they should have done a comparison with a Grand Cherokee with traction control, that works pretty well on those also. But then again I have pulled a range rover out of a spot where my Jeep did not even begin to think it was difficult

Also here is a video of one of my buddies doing his thing with his TJ with 2 open diffs, that boy goes places with it that a lot of other people struggle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZjs2WAbWls

Now THAT was impressive!! only goes to show, that the dude in my original video could have climbed that berm if he had taken a different line.

[Jeffy]

Now THAT was impressive!! only goes to show, that the dude in my original video could have climbed that berm if he had taken a different line.

The video was to show how superior the LR was in a biased test, that's all.

[stan98tj]

The video was to show how superior the LR was in a biased test, that's all.

ill agree with that.