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Offline aka-justin

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Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« on: June 05, 2010, 11:28:28 AM »
I've been hearing some axle whine on my rear Dana 35c.  I checked the fluid and it looks grey, not a good sign.  I had put mobile 80-90w synthetic in there back when I got it in Nov 2008.  Since, I've been playing in loads of mudd and water, not rivers, but huge flooding puddles from our rain, maybe 1 1/2 - 2 foot deep, my worrie is I have water in there, that's why it's grey.  After reading throught the Chrysler manual and the recent post, I should have been changing the fluid every time I played in mud or water.

I put contact microphones on the axle housing, and I can here a steady scraping sound under the right carrier, not sure if it's normal.  I put it on the front axle, Dana 30, and it seems both carriers are even louder than the one rear when while it's in 4 wheel, but I can't hear anything once it's out of 4, which seems right.

So the plan is that I'm going to drain them both and refill it tomorrow with standard gear oil (if I'm going to keep playing in water, I'm not going to waste money on syn).  I did also find a small leak from the axle tube weld plug (Probably where water was getting in).  Everyone was right about the trackbar destroying my rear axle, just too late for me to stop from damaging it.  My father-in-law is going to braze around the plug for me.

I'll post some pictures of him brazing it tomorrow.

Long term, I need to upgrade the axles to something stronger with a rear locker.  I'm going to wait from them to get worse before I do anything else for now.  I'm going to keep my eye out for a used Ford 8.8 in my area that someones taking off a Jeep or whatever.  Then I'll slowly rebuild it, rather than worrying about these.  If I see another Dana35c with 4.11's, I'll picked it up just as a backup for now.  I saw some last month for $100 on Craigslist.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2010, 11:34:38 AM by 1995yj »
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 02:34:45 PM »
It was too hot and dirty to break out the camera.  Nothing interesting anyway.  No water in the fluid, but worse, metal flakes.  The metal was so prominite in the rear fluid, it looks like metalic paint.  For now I'm going to keep flushing it every few thousand miles, until the noise gets more louder.  Then I'll have more of a reason to upgrade my axles. ;)  Thinking of a ford 8.8 for the rear with sye and soa, and a dana 44 for the front soa. Then I can get some 4.88 and some 35s ;)

BTW, after cleaning the welds on the driverside tube plugs, there was only a small hairline crack in one plug.  The top one was fine, so I used a wire wheel to clean it up and slapped some rtv silicone over the plugs.  Good enough for government work.  If it was cracked worst, I would have had him weld it.  I'll let you know if it doesn't hold.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2010, 02:40:25 PM by 1995yj »
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2010, 03:48:54 PM »
I have used RTV to stop a plug weld from leaking with great results.

If you do a D44/F8.8 with 35's do 5.13's.
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 04:04:40 PM »
It was too hot and dirty to break out the camera.  Nothing interesting anyway.  No water in the fluid, but worse, metal flakes.  The metal was so prominite in the rear fluid, it looks like metalic paint.  For now I'm going to keep flushing it every few thousand miles, until the noise gets more louder.  Then I'll have more of a reason to upgrade my axles. ;)  Thinking of a ford 8.8 for the rear with sye and soa, and a dana 44 for the front soa. Then I can get some 4.88 and some 35s ;)

BTW, after cleaning the welds on the driverside tube plugs, there was only a small hairline crack in one plug.  The top one was fine, so I used a wire wheel to clean it up and slapped some rtv silicone over the plugs.  Good enough for government work.  If it was cracked worst, I would have had him weld it.  I'll let you know if it doesn't hold.

i had the same problem with 3 of the welds - they were all sipping oil, very little though. And for some reason the spreader holes too. There's a red silicone gasket inside the diff housing at the end of each tube, my guess is that's why they end up leaking when those are not sealing anymore. If RTV doesn't hold try some JB weld, that should do it, make sure you grind a bit and use a good degreaser before applying it.
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 04:40:21 PM »
It was too hot and dirty to break out the camera.  Nothing interesting anyway.  No water in the fluid, but worse, metal flakes.  The metal was so prominite in the rear fluid, it looks like metalic paint.  For now I'm going to keep flushing it every few thousand miles, until the noise gets more louder.  Then I'll have more of a reason to upgrade my axles. ;)  Thinking of a ford 8.8 for the rear with sye and soa, and a dana 44 for the front soa. Then I can get some 4.88 and some 35s ;)

BTW, after cleaning the welds on the driverside tube plugs, there was only a small hairline crack in one plug.  The top one was fine, so I used a wire wheel to clean it up and slapped some rtv silicone over the plugs.  Good enough for government work.  If it was cracked worst, I would have had him weld it.  I'll let you know if it doesn't hold.
I'm going to guess the carrier bearing spun.  If that's the case then the bearing has probably locked up and will crap itself sooner or later.
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2010, 04:50:14 PM »
Why not change the bearings? Keep all the shims in the original location and for about 100 bucks and some labor you are good to go. Install kit is about hundred bucks and comes with the collapsible spacer and seal. Seems to me that going that road is cheap insurance till you find a replacement. While you are at it check the spider gears very carefully they are prone to disintegrating
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2010, 05:19:01 PM »
Why not change the bearings? Keep all the shims in the original location and for about 100 bucks and some labor you are good to go. Install kit is about hundred bucks and comes with the collapsible spacer and seal. Seems to me that going that road is cheap insurance till you find a replacement. While you are at it check the spider gears very carefully they are prone to disintegrating
If the bearing hasn't spun and it's jsut the bearing itself then I agree.  $10 for the gearing itself.  Pull the carrier and carefully cut the bearing off the carrier.  Then press on the new bearing.  If the bearing did spin then there are way to shim the bearing.
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2010, 05:28:13 PM »
I'll give it a go once it get's louder.  For now I'm going to keep changing the oil.  No major chunks, only flake speks, so if I keep up on the fluid, I'm ok.

My problem is that it's my daily driver and I'm afraid (with my lack of experience) is that I'll I feel rushed to get it back together, I'll make the dumb thing gernaide.  So, my reasoning is why waste my money and time, when the end result of what I want is a better axle.  The SOA and SYE can come second, along with the front D44, I just would hate to have it all apart and not put in a locker, lower gears, etc...

For now I'll limp it along, keep flushing it, listening for noises, and keep my eye on either a spare D35 or the ford 8.8 I want.  I hate doing things twice ;)  BTW, I have 15 mile tow, so worse case scenario, I'll get it towed home or to a shop.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2010, 05:29:01 PM by 1995yj »
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 06:08:55 PM »
Spun bearings stay in place very well with green loctite, I have saved many a dana 60, and 70 that way
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Offline aka-justin

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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 12:16:54 AM »
Found some axles local to me.  See what deals I can conjur up and mention if I find something.  Some D35 with 4.10 and one pair from a parting out 76 F150 with D44 and Ford 9.  Trying the 76 first.  I'd rather slowly start building that up.  Good to have a mechanic/welder in the family to help me.  I'm learning, but I'd probably make it gernade alone.
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 11:58:08 PM »
Nothings panning out for now.  I was going to go camping in a week, but I guess I'll use the time to rebuild the axle.  Cheapest thing to do, just would have rather gone away.  :P  Did find a free D35c out of a 97 Cherokee.  Hope to snag the axles out of the housing and maybe some decent brakes ???
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 11:36:09 AM »
Thinking about changing the u-bolt straps on the axle to the u-bolt style ones.

Anyone have any thoughts?  Also, are the stock u-joints all the same size or which are they?  Thinking about ordering some backup u-joints to keep in the tool box while I order the u-bolts.

Didn't see much info on them in the FAQ.

Found this tutorial
http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/ujointconv/ujointconv.htm


Only $3.95 from Summit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PCN-534-10/Application/?prefilter=0
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 12:53:23 PM »
I found that they take 1310 U-Joints on the drive shaft and 297X on the front axles.  Answered my own question on that.

Here's what I just ordered from summit racing.  One of the u-bolt sets will be a spare (can't beat 3.95) and a spare 1310 u-joint.  Didn't order a spare for up front, won't be as critical to get home.  My u-joints are good for now (rear at least).

Purchased items Part#
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Line Total PCN-369
Universal Joint, 1310 Style, Greasable, Steel, Each
$8.25
1
$8.25
PCN-534-10
Universal Joint Clamp Kit, Steel, Chevy/Ford, Mercury, Kit
$3.95
2
$7.90

I'll start a new thread under member projects when I get pictures and progress working on it next week.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2010, 12:57:12 PM by 1995yj »
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2010, 01:42:40 PM »
i thought 1995 came with 1330 in the rear (at least that's what mine had and it was the stock driveshaft and pinion yoke).
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Re: Dana 35c - Axle Whine
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2010, 02:24:44 PM »
I'll test fit it next week.  Maybe its for the size slip yoke?
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