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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: MarkyB on March 17, 2011, 06:25:32 PM
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My issue is the torque converter can't make up it's mind.
Under acceleration, the transmission acts and shifts normally.
At cruising speed, it will lock up. But the smallest of throttle changes will cause it to unlock momentarily then lock back up.
I've had it do this 3 times in the span of a couple of seconds.
I recently did a 4.0L throttle body swap and spacer. I readjusted the kickdown cable per the FSM after the swap.
This is a recent development, after the swap.
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My issue is the torque converter can't make up it's mind.
Under acceleration, the transmission acts and shifts normally.
At cruising speed, it will lock up. But the smallest of throttle changes will cause it to unlock momentarily then lock back up.
I've had it do this 3 times in the span of a couple of seconds.
I recently did a 4.0L throttle body swap and spacer. I readjusted the kickdown cable per the FSM after the swap.
This is a recent development, after the swap.
did you put a spacer (spacers to be more exact) under the cable bracket? if you didn't that's most likely your problem. You can make your own out of some 1/4'' pipe (EDIT: they should be the same size as the thickness of the t/b spacer)
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If it didn't do this before the TB spacer install, it's likely the throttle cable bracket on the manifold like mentioned ^^. You can also grab some threaded couplers from the hardware store that are 1" long and large enough for the TB bolts to slip through, or I can send you the real deal LOL.
You will need longer bolts for the bracket, 6mm x 40mm is what I use.
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I'll have to go dig thru my pile of nuts/bolts/parts/junk.
I bet I already have something that'll work.
I haven't thought about raising the cable bracket.
Thanks!
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The 4banger is a real dog with the auto, can I ask why you made the change?
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The 4banger is a real dog with the auto, can I ask why you made the change?
same reason everyone else putting bigger t/b on there 4banger,, no?
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There is another 30rh thread where the guy swapped his trans.
Mine was auto when I got it.
The TB swap made a world of difference on it though.
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same reason everyone else putting bigger t/b on there 4banger,, no?
No, quite the opposite.
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No, quite the opposite.
so because it's auto the 4.0L throttle body swap makes less power???
your not making any cents!!
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so because it's auto the 4.0L throttle body swap makes less power???
your not making any cents!!
he's was asking why the 30rh swap from manual transmission (misunderstanding, that was another member in another thread) and not why he swapped the t/b
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he's was asking why the 30rh swap from manual transmission (misunderstanding, that was another member in another thread) and not why he swapped the t/b
lol he even quoted me saying
Quote from: Torch_Ind on Today at 12:52:17 PM
same reason everyone else putting bigger t/b on there 4banger,, no?
maahahahahaha
not prob dude lol.
and its a 30rh question not swap!!
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lol he even quoted me saying
Quote from: Torch_Ind on Today at 12:52:17 PM
same reason everyone else putting bigger t/b on there 4banger,, no?
maahahahahaha
not prob dude lol.
and its a 30rh question not swap!!
There is another 30rh thread where the guy swapped his trans.
Mine was auto when I got it.
The TB swap made a world of difference on it though.
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sharp he posted this after the fact they had already cleared all that up not to mention there is nothing on this thread stating he did a manual to standard swap when I posted my question about specifically a big t/b
Quote from: Torch_Ind on Today at 12:52:17 PM
same reason everyone else putting bigger t/b on there 4banger,, no?
This was said before he replied to me
There is another 30rh thread where the guy swapped his trans.
Mine was auto when I got it.
The TB swap made a world of difference on it though.
I get what he assumed but he didn't read it. everything was stated before he replied to me
No, quite the opposite.
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sharp he posted this after the fact they had already cleared all that up not to mention there is nothing on this thread stating he did a manual to standard swap when I posted my question about specifically a big t/b
yeah, i made the connection with the other thread as i replied to that one, i see what you mean.
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Yes I thought both 30rh threads were by the same person, I should have looked closer.
Torch, I thought your question was in reference to me asking why the 30rh swap, not why the 4.0 tb swap.
Much about nothing.
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The 4banger is a real dog with the auto, can I ask why you made the change?
I don't understand where you thought I was asking him why he installed a 4.0L tb. I specifically mentioned the transmission. :rtfm:
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it is much about nothing...
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it is much about nothing...
:thumb:
The 4banger is a real dog with the auto, can I ask why you made the change?
yet again bounty this is your question.. it just a comment stating with the auto the 4banger is more of a dog!! and you are asking a second question in this phrase asking why he made the change. with the only thing in this thread he stated he changed was the throttle body
Yet again nothing about a trans swap... your the only one saying there is anything about a trans swap witch confused all of us other then the few that knows what thread you you mistaken this one for.
you keep bringing this up after the fact he even stated he never did a trans swap his jeep has always been auto!!
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Ok, I see where you are coming from now, that makes sense.
Although I fail to see the relevance.
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Ok, I see where you are coming from now, that makes sense.
Although I fail to see the relevance.
ok then putting the bigger t/b on the auto isn't worth it then. lol :confused: I give up lol
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fellas, wtf - you were talking about different things, not worth the time imo.
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Well, lifting the bracket did the trick. Back to normal.
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I take it back. :brick:
It's doing it again. :brick:
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I take it back. :brick:
It's doing it again. :brick:
you probably did this already but i'll mention it anyway: did you readjust the cable after installing the spacers? (i remember you said you did that after the t/b spacer install).
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Yes I did.
The FSM says it should be tight so the valve moves at the same time the throttle does.
Could it be too tight?
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Yes I did.
The FSM says it should be tight so the valve moves at the same time the throttle does.
Could it be too tight?
yes!! yes it could
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Well, I drove around yesterday, stopping to make small adjustments to the cable. Adjusting the cable did not make the problem go away completely.
So any more ideas?
Someone suggested a bad TC lockup sensor. Does a 30RH even have one?
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maybe the relay?
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Well, the problem is getting worse.
New symptom: After it has sat for a few days, it takes a moment or two after I put it in drive before it will move.
So I'm gonna have it looked at, but if it's bad I might just swap it out. I've done some research, and I'm confused, are there any alternatives to putting another 30RH in it? (has to stay auto.) Without having to buy adapters.
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...are there any alternatives to putting another 30RH in it? (has to stay auto.) Without having to buy adapters.
No.
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OK,
what about with an adapter?
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rebuild needed. $1400. :brick:
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rebuild needed. $1400. :brick:
I suggest getting a 30RH from a boneyard.
Ad for adapters, you could try a 700R4 but it's more then just an adapter. AW4 would be another option.
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rebuild needed. $1400. :brick:
that's very steep, shop around
also, look for a second hand one and might consider looking for a rebuilt with core exchange
i also found this one which you'll need to research if it can be used http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-Cherokee-30RH-A904-Automatic-Transmission-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b93613b6QQitemZ140546282422QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
although is not for the Jeep 4x4 with t-case adapter would be interesting to research if the rear output shaft and housing can be swapped out with yours, transmission is new
EDIT: seems that the only way to swap the output shaft (if it is possible and everything would fit) is to take the transmission apart so not really an easy task (not to mention not knowing if everything is the same) so that's not a good idea although the price is great
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What about a 32RH from a 6cyl. Will that work?
I'll be shopping junkyards.
I am watching that ebay one. Looks like the tail section bolts on. but I agree might be too much of a hassle.
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The tail of an automatic trans is easy to change the output shaft is not it will require disassembly of the entire transmission.
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What about a 32RH from a 6cyl. Will that work?
I'll be shopping junkyards.
I am watching that ebay one. Looks like the tail section bolts on. but I agree might be too much of a hassle.
i looked in the transmission manual, the output shaft is assembled with the transmission taken apart unfortunately
dunno if the bellhousing from 30RH bolts onto the 32RH, that's the main issue, then it's the converter (bolt pattern, diameter, etc).
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Well, after numerous calls to wrecking yards.
It's going to be $1000 to get a used trans with about 100k on it.
There are 2 in the entire Southeastern US.
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Well, after numerous calls to wrecking yards.
It's going to be $1000 to get a used trans with about 100k on it.
There are 2 in the entire Southeastern US.
car-part.com
1995 A/T
$450 Action Auto Wreckers USA-CA(San-Jose) 1-800-606-9732
$675 Precision Auto Parts USA-AZ(Phoenix) 1-602-232-5146 1-877-703-3583
1999 A/T
$750 Mike's Foreign Auto Parts USA-CA(Wilmington) 1-800-559-6453 / 310-830-6200
$700 Precision Auto Parts USA-AZ(Phoenix) 1-602-232-5146 1-877-703-3583
$600 Pickup Salvage Incorporated USA-CA(Bakersfield) 1-800-323-1401
for example, doesn't say what model transmission it is. do a search and you can sort by distance based on your zip code.
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car-part.com
1995 A/T
$450 Action Auto Wreckers USA-CA(San-Jose) 1-800-606-9732
$675 Precision Auto Parts USA-AZ(Phoenix) 1-602-232-5146 1-877-703-3583
1999 A/T
$750 Mike's Foreign Auto Parts USA-CA(Wilmington) 1-800-559-6453 / 310-830-6200
$700 Precision Auto Parts USA-AZ(Phoenix) 1-602-232-5146 1-877-703-3583
$600 Pickup Salvage Incorporated USA-CA(Bakersfield) 1-800-323-1401
for example, doesn't say what model transmission it is. do a search and you can sort by distance based on your zip code.
I think he's in the other SouthEAST. :wall:
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car-part.com shows bascally the same trannys I was quoted all day.
Prices run $800 then about $200 to ship.
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car-part.com shows bascally the same trannys I was quoted all day.
Prices run $800 then about $200 to ship.
If you find one local, there should be no shipping. I HIGHLY recommend not ordering a transmission out of state. It doesn't matter how good the warranty is, if you have to ship it back and forth, it will kill you. Hard to imagine someone charging $800 for one that's been salvaged. I don't think you ever mentioned the year but try different years as well.
Worse come to worst, you could swap in a manual and still save money.
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I think he's in the other SouthEAST. :wall:
for some reason i read southwestern US, got it now
car-part.com shows bascally the same trannys I was quoted all day.
Prices run $800 then about $200 to ship.
I'm not sure how you searched
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 115K TESTED GOOD! 115,000 A 10-62 $375 Gentry Salvage USA-AR(De-Queen) Request_Quote 1-800-426-9133
even with shipping you're good
or maybe this one is in driving distance
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 2.5,AOD,COL EC5138 $400 Fagan Auto Parts USA-AL(Piedmont) E-mail 1-800-331-5282
Seems to be quite a few at reasonable prices
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 4 Cyl- 130,000 A CL050 $550 Max Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Hickory) Request_Quote 1-800-346-8755 1-828-324-7906 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler STOCK NO. 003938018 003938018 $550 Universal Auto Recycling USA-KY(Benton) Request_Quote 1-270-527-3431/1-800-443-8578 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Cherokee 4.0L,MT,4X4,TCDK,FLR,WITH 412 107,808 A 100457 $550 B & W Salvage USA-GA(Metter) E-mail 800-284-6626 / 912-685-2250
1995
Transmission
Jeep Cherokee 4.0,MPI,4AT,RWD 156,661 A PH0016 $513 Robert's Engines Inc. USA-NC(Lucama) Request_Quote 1-800-528-6911 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 2.5L,4WD 94,000 S464P $500 Cockrells Auto Parts USA-KY(Mt.-Sterling) Request_Quote 1-800-633-2441 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 2.5L,AT,COL,4WD 05A031 $500 431 Auto Parts USA-AL(Alexandria) E-mail 1-800-621-3788
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 10-05,2.5L,SUT,TESTED 178,759 A 19339 $500 Langston's Used Auto Parts USA-FL(Tampa) Request_Quote 1-813-988-7341 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 06-10,2.5L,AUT 145,911 A 25118 $500 Langston's Used Auto Parts USA-FL(Tampa) Request_Quote 1-813-988-7341 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler A,2.5L,11-95 151,883 A H23695 $500 Agee's Auto Parts USA-VA(Christiansburg) Request_Quote 540-382-2477 / 800-678-6901 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 4C,2.5L,AT,2WD T09371 $450 Cox Truck And Van USA-GA(Moultrie) E-mail 1-800-476-1051
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 1-95,4X4,2.5,AUTO,COL 110203 $450 Davis Used Auto Parts USA-TN(Tazewell) Request_Quote 1-423-626-3438 1-877-671-3438 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler A,2.5L,11/01/94 162,000 A 9091079C $450 LKQ Preferred USA-AR(Conway) E-mail 1-800-233-3513
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 2.5,AOD,COL EC5138 $400 Fagan Auto Parts USA-AL(Piedmont) E-mail 1-800-331-5282
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler AT MAYBE TEST DRIVE CLEAN TRUCK 001665 $400 Crest Truck Parts USA-GA(Cartersville) E-mail 1-770-382-1595 / 1-800-424-2065
1995
Transmission
Jeep Cherokee 4 Cyl, 4X4 4.0 CHE-4.0 $400 Osceola Auto Salvage USA-FL(Kissimmee) Request_Quote 407-847-0083 Request_Insurance_Quote
1995
Transmission
Jeep Wrangler 115K TESTED GOOD! 115,000 A 10-62 $375 Gentry Salvage USA-AR(De-Queen) Request_Quote 1-800-426-9133 Request_Insurance_Quote
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Maybe its the model year filtering them out?
I didnt get those when I searched.
I didn't think to ask if the torque converter was included?
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Well, I adjusted the rear band, and put some Lucas transmission fix in it. It is much improved! But not cured. Maybe that will buy me some time untill a reasonably priced tranny pops up close by.
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The problem turned out to be the throttle position sensor.
New TPS, and now it runs better and shifts fine.
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The problem turned out to be the throttle position sensor.
New TPS, and now it runs better and shifts fine.
good to know, at least it saved you the $1500 on rebuild - i would swing by the shop that quoted you that for a $50 tps, would be interesting to see what the hell they have to say about it.