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« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2010, 11:34:05 AM »
Whenever you get around to in. The Jeep is getting more work prior getting back on the road, so no rush. I am anxious to get it done, but fitting in work time makes it slow.

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« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2010, 03:17:30 PM »
OK, I ran into some issues that I thought I should mention.  There is no way to get the rubber fitting over the barbs on my FPS.  The opening is probably 2-3x the dia. of the original.  If you stretch it too much, over time the rubber will crack to relieve the stress.  A smaller barb is highly recommended.  Probably best to mimic the originals.  It's pretty long.  Look at the new bolt you made, it's probably twice as long.

I'd also consider sand blasting the bracket.  I polished up the billet drum and it looks really nice but it's almost impossible to clean the bracket.  The bottom half of the FPS isn't much of an issue since you can't see it.

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« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2010, 05:19:01 PM »
OK, I ran into some issues that I thought I should mention.  There is no way to get the rubber fitting over the barbs on my FPS.  The opening is probably 2-3x the dia. of the original.  If you stretch it too much, over time the rubber will crack to relieve the stress.  A smaller barb is highly recommended.  Probably best to mimic the originals.  It's pretty long.  Look at the new bolt you made, it's probably twice as long.

I'd also consider sand blasting the bracket.  I polished up the billet drum and it looks really nice but it's almost impossible to clean the bracket.  The bottom half of the FPS isn't much of an issue since you can't see it.



use a larger tube that goes over both of them, that should do it.

the bolt has to be as long as the upper level of pressure, so to make it flush would limit the adjustment, can be shorter but that depends on what is the upper limit of the range you want.
most of the aftermarket ones you see stick out about 1/4 an inch to 1 inch and that depends on how much pressure they are set to (so if you run 15 psi would stick out more than compared to 50 psi).

the nipple on the new bolt is small enough to accommodate the stock rubber elbow.

yours was the prototype so i made it with what i had around, i didn't have a smaller fitting than that. It's 1/8'' NPT so eventually you might find a smaller one to replace it. If you run it and you're happy with it i'll send you a replacement for the aluminum portion with the new style adjustment screw (it is also shorter than yours since it doesn't need the extra space for the 90 deg vac fitting).
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Re: Fuel Pressure Regulators
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2010, 06:09:19 PM »
Well, I looked at it some more and I think if I disconnect the tube from both ends, I can replace it with the correct size tube.  On the intake side, there is a rubber boot that downsizes to the plastic tube size.  The fitting on the intake is about the same size as the brass fitting.  I'll have to go to the auto parts store and see what they have for vacuum lines.
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« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2010, 07:08:21 PM »
Well, I looked at it some more and I think if I disconnect the tube from both ends, I can replace it with the correct size tube.  On the intake side, there is a rubber boot that downsizes to the plastic tube size.  The fitting on the intake is about the same size as the brass fitting.  I'll have to go to the auto parts store and see what they have for vacuum lines.

funny enough, after i shipped it i thought about why i didn't send you one of those (believe it or not) as i have couple of spares
the other alternative is to get a fitting plug and make a small hole in it where you can stick the plastic tube in.
EDIT: i'm talking about the rubber plugs that go over manifold fittings - i think some TJs have them, some are black and some are red.
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« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2010, 07:46:27 PM »
I ended up just buying some tubing to replace it all.  It will look a little ghetto but that's OK since it's a prototype.  I'll see about getting it installed tomorrow now that I have all the parts needed.

I was thinking about getting some brass tubing and flaring the end then braising the tube into the brass fitting but that's too much work.
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« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2010, 10:04:56 PM »
I ended up just buying some tubing to replace it all.  It will look a little ghetto but that's OK since it's a prototype.  I'll see about getting it installed tomorrow now that I have all the parts needed.

I was thinking about getting some brass tubing and flaring the end then braising the tube into the brass fitting but that's too much work.

only thing to make sure is that the tube don't collapse in vacuum

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« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2010, 10:25:56 PM »
Good point, I have enough tubing so I can try it both ways.  How much psi does the engine create? I've got a vacuum gun that I can use to test the line.
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« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2010, 10:29:44 PM »
Good point, I have enough tubing so I can try it both ways.  How much psi does the engine create? I've got a vacuum gun that I can use to test the line.
-20inHg which is about -9psi
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« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2010, 04:07:32 PM »
Went a different route all together.  I have an extra set of lines since I had to replace one of the rubber bends at the CCV.  So I pulled off the other side that goes to the intake.  Turned out great.

Some questions.  The stock FPS has a plastic ring at the base of both steps.  On the one you send it seems to have the same ring buy with an o-ring on top the smaller one was replaced with an o-ring as well.  I take it the o-ring is for added protection?

Initial run around the block.  Seems to have more power.  I had my intake tuned so it was making more hp but at the cost of less torque down low.  It seems that the deficit has been filled some.  Of course this is in closed-loop as the engine wasn't warmed up.

The other thing about running injectors at lower PSI then recommended is that the spray might not atomize as well.  I haven't tested this but I'm still sure it atomizes better then the stock single jet.  I should have some more results once the weekend arrives and I'm able to take it on the highway and some deserted backroads.
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« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2010, 04:18:52 PM »

Some questions.  The stock FPS has a plastic ring at the base of both steps.  On the one you send it seems to have the same ring buy with an o-ring on top the smaller one was replaced with an o-ring as well.  I take it the o-ring is for added protection?


huh  :yikes:

nope, should be same as stock - when i took it off the rail it came out with that o-ring on it and didn't bother to take it off :lol:

but if it works with 2 on top of each-other you can leave it - can't hurt considering the added pressure (and that's a great idea in case there's a leak, add a second o-ring :)

glad to hear you got the vac line sorted out.
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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2010, 04:29:11 PM »
huh  :yikes:

nope, should be same as stock - when i took it off the rail it came out with that o-ring on it and didn't bother to take it off :lol:

but if it works with 2 on top of each-other you can leave it - can't hurt considering the added pressure (and that's a great idea in case there's a leak, add a second o-ring :)

glad to hear you got the vac line sorted out.
You can see the tan ring around the larger base.  On my FPR it's black and no o-ring.
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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2010, 05:05:33 PM »
You know, I didn't check to see if there was a O-ring inside the rail.  I'd hate to have to take it apart again although it is running.  Damn, didn't think about that.
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« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2010, 05:13:40 PM »
You know, I didn't check to see if there was a O-ring inside the rail.  I'd hate to have to take it apart again although it is running.  Damn, didn't think about that.

there are 2 o-rings on top of the little plastic rings - usually the small one remains in the rail (and it is far easier to install that way) and the large one comes off with the FPR. if it works just leave it, should be fine

but for sure you have another o-ring in there, would leak big-time otherwise.
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« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2010, 05:43:20 PM »
Sure enough, there was another O-ring on the fuel rail.  Although interesting enough, I tried reusing my old one and it seems that my FPR might be a smidgen wider or the O-ring compressed more.  This caused a fuel leak of course.  So I used the one that make with the new FPS and it seems to work.  Is the FPR supposed to be able to rotate?  The bracket doesn't compress down to where the FPR doesn't move.  Although 9PSI isn't much so I doubt it's an issue.  I just didn't bother checking to see if mine would rotate as well.  With 2 O-rings it was on nice and tight.

Here's what it looks like.  I chopped off 2 barbs on the fitting since it was too long and I didn't want to stretch the plastic tubing too much.


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