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lanulos89

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« on: March 23, 2006, 05:01:54 PM »
is it just me or is the tradition of waving to other jeeps dying.  Im driving along see a jeep and wave, and just get dirty looks.  When i first got the jep i only waved to built up jeeps, now i just wave to any jeep and still barly get no responses, xcept for the people i kno and go wheeling with.  Maybe is just that in NY we are getting a new generation of jeep owners. i dont know but we gotta save this tradition...

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2006, 05:19:31 PM »
The Wave
The Definitive Guide
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Warning:
Owning, registering, insuring, or driving a Jeep implies knowledge of and intent to abide by the following rules, regulations, and guidelines. Failure to obey the letter or spirit of the rules may result in your being ignored by other Jeep owners as you sit along the side of the road next to your stalled vehicle in a blizzard surrounded by Saturns, Yugos, and Hyundais.

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Definition:
The Jeep Wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with the superior intelligence, taste, class, and discomfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle - the Jeep. Generally consists of vigorous side-to-side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiquette. Examples of commonly accepted modifications:
Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod
It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.
In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.
These categories are:

The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nostalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
The Modifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your Jeep.
Equipment Adjustments: What you build.

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General Rules:
1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:

The Wave is returned
The Wave is blatantly disregarded
The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight
2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle is clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave.

"When in doubt, WHIP IT OUT!"

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First, the Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH):
Category A Pre-CJ: 30
Category B Pre-AMC CJ: 27
Category C Other CJ: 25
Category D Commando: 20
Category E YJ 16
Category F TJ 15
Category G Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
Category H All other Jeeps: 5
Category I All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
Category J All other vehicles 0

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The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):
(What you do with it)
MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.


MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30

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Equipment Adjustments
(What you build)

Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:

Engine:
Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
Stock, 8-cyl: +2
Stock, 6-cyl: +1
Stock, 4-cyl: 0
Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
Replaced, 4-cyl: -1
Drivetrain Modifications:
Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2
Tires:
Stock or unremarkable: 0
Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
Low-profile: -10
Suspension:
Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
Body lift: +1/inch
Suspension lift: +2/inch
Spring-Over Lift: +3
High-quality shocks: +2
Lowered: -20
Other accessories/conditions:
Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
Other winch, obviously used: +1
Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
Lockers: +2
Upgraded axles: +1
Upgraded transfer case: +1
Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
Each neon accessory: -2
Fire extinguishers: +1
Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
Tow Hooks: +1
Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
Multi disc-CD Player: -1
More than one subwoofer: -1 each
First Aid Kit: +1
Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
On-board air compressor: +1
On-board Welder: +2
Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
Hi-Lift Jack: +2
Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea
Homemade roll bar pads: +1
Duct Tape currently in use: +1 per yard
Duct Tape Reserve: +1 per roll
Top on and windows up, warm day: -2
Grenade Hood Ornament: +1
P.A. - used to harass drivers of lesser vehicles: +1
Storage boxes from solid steel or ammo cans: +1
Waving while fighting the older Jeeps' natural urge to wander: +1
Plastic headlight covers/accessories: -1
Bra (on a Jeep - how could you??): -1
Snorkel Gear (functional): +2
Battle Scars:
Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
Bloody seats: +2
V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of snowmobiles: +1
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of boats: +2
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of tracked vehicles: +2
Scars on the driver - MUST be Jeep-related, may require proof: +1
Each Jeep Rescue performed: +1

(Stolen fair & square from "www.jeeptalk.org")
additional thanks to Google

lanulos89

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2006, 05:51:08 PM »
Engine:
Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
Stock, 8-cyl: +2
Stock, 6-cyl: +1
Stock, 4-cyl: 0
Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
Replaced, 4-cyl: -1

^ THATS WRONG!!!!!! ^

\/ ITS SHOULD BE \/
Engine:
Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
Stock, 8-cyl: +2
Stock, 6-cyl: +1
Stock, 4-cyl: +5
Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
Replaced, 4-cyl: +5
 :lol: thats better

gomi

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2006, 06:06:56 PM »
bleh! no one ever returns the wave around CT.

SMC4WD

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 06:30:05 PM »
lanulos89 You are right!!  I copy and pasted...  I shoulda made our own personal changes.

I love the Jeep wave...  Here in Washington it happens alot.  Certainly more during the summer than in the winter.  But the truth is, it seems to be a hierarchy thing.   The better your Jeep, the more you expect someone else to wave at you first.  Kinda like them saying "hey, nice Jeep!"

yellowta

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2006, 06:59:49 PM »
I've got an XJ, nobody ever waves at me  :evil:

Grundar32

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 08:04:23 PM »
you live in the wrong part of CT im in the SE area and waving is alive and well =)

MA2LA

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 08:07:46 PM »
Quote from: "yellowta"
I've got an XJ, nobody ever waves at me  :evil:

When I had my XJ on the road the only wave i got was from another built Jeep and thats because it was on 35s and cut and dent to the point there was no way you coould say I didn't use it the way it should be used, Now that I have the YJ its hard to remember  to wave.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 08:30:49 PM »
I dont get the return wave from most TJs especially stock.  Seems that the yuppie driving it is still saving up for the H3. The further I get from chicago the better the waves are recieved. Therefor the ratio of yuppies decreases. Nuff said!!!

DIXIELAND 4X4

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2006, 04:34:48 AM »
here in florida they dont wave i learned young about the wave. My parents have had the same jeep since there honey moon( bought in 1977 a 78 cj-5 golden eagle levis editon) i was born in 79.. If they dont wave back at me i give them the finger it kinda pisses me off.. It should be  written on the driver side sunviser .  In 4 inch letters "you are now part of a long heritage if you see a jeep, wave"

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2006, 05:37:08 AM »
Here in Atlanta GA all Wrangler owners, Cj, YJ, and TJ's all wave at each other. VERY few(mostly women) don't wave. Although I have tried to wave, the XJ and KJ's don't wave at us Wranglers. They seem to have a chip on their shoulders.  :lol:

Offline Jeffy

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2006, 12:26:08 PM »
Quote from: "jwrape"
Here in Atlanta GA all Wrangler owners, Cj, YJ, and TJ's all wave at each other. VERY few(mostly women) don't wave. Although I have tried to wave, the XJ and KJ's don't wave at us Wranglers. They seem to have a chip on their shoulders.  :lol:


Women don't usually wave because they think you're hitting on them rather then doing the wave thing.  :roll:

I'll only wave to an XJ or KJ if it looks like it's been offroad.  In which case they'll wave.  You'll get the most waves from CJ'ers, YJ'ers and TJ'ers.  Although, it doesn't mean all will wave. Out here there are a lot of FJ's and Toy's that might wave also.  I live in Pirate Country.

I have yet to see a KJ wave.  I doubt that I'll ever see a Commander wave. Same goes for the current generation of Grands.

One thing about the wave.  When you build your Jeep up to a certain point it isn't very street worthy so both hands need to be used while driving.  I get people waving when I'm shifting for some reason.  :lol:
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2006, 07:59:25 PM »
Here in SW Michigan I get waves from other CJ's, YJ's, and about 2/3's of the TJ's (the other 1/3 are females... a lot of which are young teenagers that haven't properly been briefed in jeep tradition, they just think jeeps are cute :evil: )
These above jeeps (except where noted) usually INITATE the wave, and I promptly return it.  Jeeps I NEVER get waves from are XJ's (Except my wheelin' friends), KJ's, and the stupid Grand's. Over here, it looks like every Grand is owned by a bitchy old lady, thus no wave.
Rubicons are a rare breed over here so far.  My best wheelin' buddy has one, so he waves at me.  But I only see one or two other Rubicons in my town EVER.  A red one and another silver one. The red one looks like it is a yuppy jeep (VERY clean, no dents/scratches, paint still GLISTENS :cry: ), he looks at me like I'm crazy and I think I actually know him or something.  The silver one must be used to it now, cuz after about 10 or so times of waving at him, he waves back now, sometimes even before I get him 8) !  There is a Tomb Raider Rubicon runnin' around some where over here too.  My buddy knows him, but I haven't got to meet him and drool on his jeep yet... if it has a pic of Laura Croft on it anywhere  :twisted:  naughty, naughty thoughts...

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2006, 10:19:12 PM »
I colorado a lot of guys used the one finger salute inset of the wave. If the person was one one of the local message boards you would hear about it. I am a fan of the one finger salute. In PA have never had the one finger salute returned though I am usally in a non jeep unmodified vehicle.

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2006, 10:46:04 PM »
Quote from: "trailerrails"
I colorado a lot of guys used the one finger salute inset of the wave. If the person was one one of the local message boards you would hear about it. I am a fan of the one finger salute. In PA have never had the one finger salute returned though I am usally in a non jeep unmodified vehicle.


Hmm, I don't think that would be popular in many places. :lol:
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